Why are there such idiotic smart TVs that can’t even turn off bluetooth?!

There are at least two such devices in my apartment block and my bluetooth audio transmitter always tries to connect to them instead of my headphones. I have already talked to the people owning those TVs and we tried to disable BT, but it just isn’t possible. This is driving me insane!

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    11 months ago

    I actually had the reverse problem: some stupid neighbor kept trying to pair something with my smart TV, to the point where I couldn’t watch TV at times, due to this moron’s insistence. I looked in the settings and also found I couldn’t disable Bluetooth, or blacklist devices, so I thought of a simple solution: changing the TV name to “virus”. From that day on, no one tried to pair anything with my TV.

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      11 months ago

      I actually had a similar situation. I found out I had a neighbor stealing my wifi a few years ago because of BT shenanigans.

      I gave the guest wifi pw to the previous neighbor, who must’ve written it down somewhere. The new neighbor was a douche who kept piggybacking off of it to watch stuff with his shitty little kid, so I’d occasionally get notifications on my network. When I confronted him about it, he got belligerent and threatened violence.

      So I paired to his device and blasted porn at full volume.

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        10 months ago

        Well then, just hope that your neighbor doesn’t turn around to pair into your device and blast porn at full volume on your TV, get you pissed off as to WTF you can’t turn it off, end up throwing the whole thing into the Recycle Bin, and look into some kind of CRT TV that can’t be f***ed with like you are also pissed off with the current company that produces the current flat screen stuff.

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          10 months ago

          It’s all good, my dude. I run old school cabling for my devices so I never have to deal with these shenanigans. Plus it’s been over a decade since this happened and I haven’t seen that family since. They left me alone after the incident and were quite civil afterwards.

          Also, you okay? You seem quite upset about an anecdote on the Internet that has nothing whatsoever to do with you.

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            10 months ago

            Not sure what anecdote is, but I’m actually quite upset about these shenanigans the companies that produce the current flat screen stuff they allow to happen in the first place.

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      11 months ago

      I feel stupid for never having looked into changing Bluetooth device names but it’s clearly not easy or I’d be naming all the Bluetooth shit I own crazy stuff.

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        10 months ago

        I’ve not yet met a device whose Bluetooth name i couldn’t change. Just Google, “How do I change the Bluetooth name on “x device”?”, and substitute, “x device”, with the manufacturer, make, and model of the device whose Bluetooth name you want to change. I believe in you.

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    11 months ago

    Tv companies use those features to collect advertising metrics. While the BT can’t connect with anything on it’s own, it can see things like what other bluetooth devices are near by and how often.

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      11 months ago

      It’s a small inconvenience to the user but knowing device 001A3FD24AE3 was present during a viewing of all of Star Trek TNG in 4 weeks is critically important for the TV to know.

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        11 months ago

        I don’t care what’s “important” for some random marketing executive to know about me and what’s happening inside my house.

        I bought this device and I will use it how I want and not how these predatory bastards want.

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        11 months ago

        Bluetooth gets a normal plain text device name, and many of then are default. Knowing “Steve’s S20 FE” is near by is more useful, especially when farming that information from tens of thousands of tv’s and cross referencing that with other factors like income demographics for a given area.

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          11 months ago

          The best part of this? They know you inside out, what you watch and listen to, where and when, and then use it… to try to sell you stuff you already have.

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            11 months ago

            You would think that with all that demographic data and spying on everything they’d have a clue, but it’s like they’ve not been using it to make products better at all. It’s like they’re finding out just exactly how awful something has to be until we complain.

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          11 months ago

          Don’t the Bluetooth beacons only see the MAC address unless it’s in discovery mode?

          I don’t know the actual spec, I just thought that’s how it worked.

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    11 months ago

    Some TV remotes are now using bluetooth instead of IR, so yeah you can’t turn that off without locking yourself out…

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        10 months ago

        I’m pretty sure the S-Pen uses some form of low frequency induction. It works for such a use case due to the immediate proximity of the devices, while a TV remote would likely be too far away.

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          10 months ago

          IR can be used to send data. My first laptop had a IR tx/rx. We tried it for fun and it worked.

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            10 months ago

            …okay and? Super or subsonic audio can also be used to transmit data. What’s your point? We’re talking about S-Pens.

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    11 months ago

    It should be legally required that on any system that has settings you should be able to disable wireless stuff.

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    11 months ago

    I’ve refused to hook my TV up to the internet. Massive bloatware and spyware machine. I bought high end. Samsung 70" top of the line last year. But everything I watch is though a jailbroken 4k firestick or straight up on disc.

    It’s a pain in the ass to switch inputs. THERES NO INPUT BUTTON. It wants to choose FOR ME what input I’m using based off the most recent input. Lick my balls. I’ll switch from the first stick to the Xbox but if the fire stick is still streaming I’ll choose the Xbox and it’ll switch back to the firestick. Fuck you. I can’t even imagine if I let that thing connect to the internet. It’d probably want a huge update, send everything I watch back to hq, and then try to show me ads. Fuck you Koreans.

    It’s a great tv. Top of the line picture quality. But it’s about as good as it gets in this age. If I was more tech savvy I could probably make it better but I’m not.

    • WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Samsung’s auto input stuff is so frustrating. When I had one I would just plug and unplug into the last input used but even then it would try to detect input for settings I guess and delay me over a minute.

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      10 months ago

      I had this issue too but I was able to find a setting to enable something about “last app” so it would only open to the last app I had it on, not auto switching to whatever the fuck it wanted to open on start up.

      That was so annoying. I hardly use my Xbox anymore but it always defaulted to that for some reason.

      Granted, my Samsung TV is, unfortunately, connected to the internet and I keep it updated so it is possible that a new update has enabled this setting for me at some point.

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    11 months ago

    I won’t let my TV access the internet. No good reason for it. If I want spyware I’ll be one of the Amazon or Apple spyware modules. At least then I know its spyware that runs well.

      • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        It means that the Bluetooth data the TV collects does not get transmitted anywhere. It’s better than disabling Bluetooth.

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          11 months ago

          Other than the whole issue of it still trying to connect to devices, or allowing other devices to try to connect to it. Which is what the post is about.

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    11 months ago

    Wait why are complaining about the stupid devices of others instead of your one that doesn’t allow you to manage its connections?

    I would be furious at my stuff doing stupid shit not that of others.

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      11 months ago

      Yeah at first I thought it was his TV. Why are they even paired to begin with? It’s his device doing it, the TVs are just complying.

    • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
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      11 months ago

      It seems the neighbours device is constantly in pairing mode. If your device has no display, you have to rely on only your devices wanting to pair at the time you need to.

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    11 months ago

    Damn this unlocked a lot of infuriating memories of working night shift and being woken up by the kids from one of the other apartments connecting to my TV’s sound bar and playing loud obnoxious games for toddlers and cranking it way up presumably because they couldn’t hear it, all while I was trying to sleep because night was my day.

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    11 months ago

    My wife’s car disconnects my bt audio like every 5 mins. There are certain intersections where it always connects. I’ve long suspected its because of other bt devices using the same frequencies. This is on a 2023 ev car using android auto.

    My shitty aftermarket bt radio I installed on my 2003 PoS is 100% stable. No problems.

  • EatYouWell@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    That sounds like an issue with your transmitter, not the TVs. It shouldn’t be initiating the pairing process with untrusted devices.

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      10 months ago

      It also just works way better than infrared lights. No need for line of sight or to point it ever so precisely at the receiver

  • Nightwatch Admin@feddit.nl
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    11 months ago

    Well, my Samsung “smart” tv starts playing other people’s streams. Tried dumbing down the piece of shit to absolute bottom (I have media connected via hdmi/usb/etc and am not using that ad-ridden OS), but it still lets others randomly connect. A decent manyport monitor will work just as fine, so that replacement will happen!

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    11 months ago

    Welcome to late-stage capitalism, where companies sell what you do not want to buy. e.g., no wired connection has ever once had this problem, but they had to sell more thingies, so now everything is bluetooth, whether it should be or not, plus it seems like nobody ever bothered to finish implementing bluetooth - e.g., this exact issue you are having, which surely could be fixed except… why bother, when you (& your neighbors) have already bought all the thingies?

  • floridaman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    11 months ago

    Lol and I can’t even get my TVs to output over Bluetooth! Smart TVs are dumb, why build a radio into a thing if I can’t connect both ways with it.