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    I think a lot of people here don’t understand the danger of this fully and dismiss it with “Just use Firefox, problem solved”.
    Unfortunately, once this becomes widely available, that is once Chrome ships it, websites will start to use it.
    Maybe Amazon will just not sell to you anymore when you’re browsing with Firefox?
    Maybe YouTube wont serve any videos if you’re using Linux?
    Your bank will certainly implement this and only allow Windows 11 with Edge or some shit like that.
    Once this is implemented, we will all suffer, even if we’re using better alternatives right now.

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      Your bank will certainly implement this

      My brother in Christ, it was 2020 before my bank supported passwords longer than 8 characters. We have 30 or 40 years before we need to worry about the banks.

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        Some banks are still running windows 98 internally, admitedly so long as said system isnt connected to the internet it should be fine.

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          Lol, not to mention Cobalt and other horrors that are lurking in Legacy systems no one has looked at in 50 years.

          I’m thinking mainframe terminals, where the character has to be in the right place on the screen in order to store something in RAM.

          Even worse, how many systems are still using punch cards? How often do those cards need to be replaced?

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        Have you ever rooted an android phone?

        The google SafteyNet Attestation is the precursor to browser DRM. It’s essentially phone DRM.

        There are many banks that have apps that require you to pass at least the basic level attestation, if not the CTS profile matching that fails the moment you modify any system level resources, even the bootloader

        luckily you can force disable CTS so it falls back on the basic level, for most apps at least. You will never have access to Google or Samsung pay though, as it actually knows your phone model should support CTS and will autofail if it no longer reports that it does.

        Alongside that apps like Pokemon GO and Netflix also require at least basic attestation to function - demonstrating the DRM and anticheat capabilities of such a system.

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        Yes, US banks.

        Banks in europe are much more up to date with tech.

        They have APIs to sink transactions with external providers like nordigen API.

        They have 2FA that is linked to your national identity card which is chipped

        Nationally used apps that are universal 2FA linked to national IDs that banks, medical, and government services all tap into

        Everything is contactless payment nowadays, the US just recently started contactless cards

        Inter-bank transfers without external apps like venmo

        There are MANY problems with EU people getting their banks to work on a rooted phone.

        They will absolutely implement DRM if someone sells the bullshit to them under the illusion of “safety.”

        Hell, the US had handwritten “vaccine cards” for covid while European nations even had open source user spinoffs on nationally funded apps linked to national IDs to manage COVID vaccination and testing passes.

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      Technically the idea is that if Chrome has barely any market share (will never happen, but let’s pretend), they cannot implement this as it will anger and lock too many users out of day to day life.

      However…

      With Google Search and YouTube being by far the most 2 popular websites in the world, I think they still could. The vast majority of people would never give those up and if they’re told to use another program to access them, they absolutely will, meaning in an ideal world with a browser competition, they can easily destroy it immediately.

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        Google search has become very bad and is easily replaced by basically any search engine. YouTube is still unparalleled though.

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      Doesn’t that also mean they lose customers or possible transactions which could have made them money?

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      Would apple just roll over on this? Or would they fight to make sure safari is also an option to freely use the internet (or at least severely limiting apples ability to do something similar) And websites that depend on ads, the number of Firefox and safari users have to be greater than the number of users who use ad-blockers. So wouldn’t it negatively affect ad income on websites if they implemented it and cut out all non-chromium browsers?

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      Did Firefox even say that they would not implement it as well? Are there any informations on that?

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        Firefox uses their own engine IIRC, that’s why more people should be using it so we can get some competition with Chromium.

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          I think the management’s recent decisions, as well as the removal/lack of power-user features for those users, have moved a lot of people away from Firefox, myself included. They really need to focus on providing really good software, not get caught up in trying to chase trends or forcing services people don’t want. This WIRED article does a good job explaining the issues.

          I am keeping an eye on Pulse Browser, which is an experimental fork of Firefox with uBlock Origin pre-installed and some UI customisations. They’ve got a sidebar with “web panels” very much like Vivaldi’s Panels, and they’ve got vertical tabs like Edge. People also seem to be posting suggestions to their discussion page on GitHub. It’s early days, but if they listen and try to implement some of the suggested features to their best ability, it could be a much better Firefox than Firefox itself.

          Edit: From Pulse’s Discord, I just found out Mozilla bought Fakespot and are integrating that into Firefox. Some people are definitely going to think that’s bloat.

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        But that’s also not private as has been claimed as a reason to go FF. The only reason to use FF is only to not use chrome. Not for all the reasons that chrome is bad.

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          Tor Browser, LibreWolf, and Arkenfox JS are the most secure and private browsers you can get and they’re all based on Firefox. If they’re not private enough for you, I don’t know what is

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    tbh I’m just tired of all of this, we can’t have nice things, ever… Every fucking thing in this world is being swallowed by corporate greed. Every service there’s a catch, and I’m getting mad with it, things aren’t made to serve their purpose, they only exist to make money and more money for people who already have infinite money, it’s frustrating. Things need to change or everything is going to collapse… fuck companies, fuck billionaires, fuck stocks, fuck all of this

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    Like, seriously, went through the last 10 years spending a good chunk of my day on Twitter and Reddit using Chrome, and suddenly I’m on Lemmy/Mastodon on Firefox.

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            That is only because it doesn’t keep all tabs loaded in RAM all of the time though.

            If you open the same pages with the same installed extensions on both you will see similar RAM usage. It is only on restoring sessions or longer-term sessions that you will see a difference because FF will reload the page when it is activated again where chrome will keep it in RAM.

            At least that used to be the case.

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              I mean yes, that’s the main reason, but that doesn’t make it any less true. I like being able to have a couple extra tabs open just to have them there, not having them to use up resources seems kind of like a given.

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      This is my exact change. They want to shittify things I’ll switch or just stop using it. I’m at my breaking point.

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        I won’t lie that it’s been an adjustment. Old habits die hard. Reddit is the one that I am more certainly done with. No one is on Mastodon yet so I do browse Twitter a little bit to get updates on the stuff I like, but don’t interact there anymore.

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          Well, best thing to counter that is to be the change you want to see. Start the community for the niche you miss the most/know the most about. Post something daily for two weeks + do a call for mods, and before you know you’ll have at least some activity. I (helped) to bootstrap !openstreetmap@lemmy.ml this way, and the community has about 1 top level post per day on average now. Not a lot, but a good start.

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        I get your sentiment, but chrome 1 was crazy fast and seemed barely functional coming from a world of toolbars for most people.

        At the time people were like “I can’t use this, there’s only this search bar”

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      That may be true on desktop. But, unfortunately, the mobile app is way behind chromium. From being unresponsive, to outright buggy. It’s not a good experince. It’s been 2 years since the rewrite but it’s not getting much better or even close to fixing most of its issue. Meaning, using firefox on android is a handicap on yourself.

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        Gonna need some statistics on this, because your anecdotal experience is not at all like mine. FF is totally useable on Android.

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        Ive used FF on my android phone for years and had no noteworthy issues the entire time, not sure what youre on about

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          I’m talking about the tab reload issue. Check my reply to other comment. Where I link issues. Basically you cannot fill forms, multi task or do stuff without the tab reloading on you. This issue has been ongoing since 2020. I changed phones but this issue did not change once. Permalink to that comment: https://lemmy.ml/comment/2013238

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            Ive never had any issue like that to be honest, and I have been using FF literally daily for years. Most of my social circle are yucky apple product users so I haven’t even heard of this issue until now. Im sorry you and other people have it because tbh FF is basically perfect, at least for what I need it for

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              Thanks for acknowledging the issue. I’m on android which could make some difference. I install Firefox with ublock origin as good adblocking solution for others. Most do not appear to notice this issue so it’s not a problem. Hopefully, it’s fixed for the ones experiencing this issue.

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        I use it because I can use it to block ads. If a page doesn’t work, I’ll use chrome.

        I actually use Chrome on Windows. I just dislike ads more than I like Chrome.

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          I am basically the same. I’m loving the ability to use uBlock Origin across phone and desktop and practically never see ads, but some sites just don’t work for me in Firefox. Like anything where I have signed up with my Google account, or my online banking. In which case I have Chrome installed as a backup. If I could purge it completely I would, but this works for now.

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        As someone who has used Firefox on Android for 9 years plus… “lol, wut?!”

        It was bad, 7 years ago, and has been solid for at least 4 years.

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        Are you kidding?! Firefox on android isn’t just better than Chrome in feature set, as it has been for like a decade, it’s been faster than Chrome for at least a year, in my personal experience.

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        Yeah, to be honest the FF Android experience just can’t match Chromium.

        I don’t really NEED to, so I’m not switching from Firefox anytime soon, but I wish they’d at least fix recently closed tabs reappearing every time I reopen the darned thing…

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    Ah yes, 2023. The year I wore a pirate hat and touched more grass. Soon they’ll be bribing the govt to make going outside illegal.

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    One more time if anyone says that capitalism breeds innovation we need to show them this ¡!

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    Honestly this is just depressing. And a little scary ?

    Corporate greed is taking new heights and the things we took for granted are being taken away. It is all so dystopic…

    Yeet.

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    DRM is stupid because it interferes with paying customers and isn’t effective. If there’s a will there’s a way

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      You jest but I’m feeling pretty ready to switch to mesh networking. I’d rather have a libre internet than faster bandwidth.

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    Well, well, well, would you look at that? We’ve done full circle, haven’t we? It’s time to go back to the old internet again.