Heaven and hell isn’t for “good” or “bad” people. It’s for believers and non-believers.
You can be the most “good” person ever, but if you don’t believe in “God” (or Jesus, or whatever) you’re not going to heaven.
Inversely, you could be literally Hitler + Mao and genocide an entire population… but as long as you REALLY believe in Jesus and repent seconds before you die! (or whatever figurative loophole probably exists in your religion of choice).
So if I hit some pearly gates when I die, sign me up for Hell please…
I guess I just agree with your statement… but take mild issue with “good”.
Hell was never a thing in the abraham religions in the first place. The closest thing to it Sheol in the old testament, and that’s just what they called the earth you’re buried in.
That’s part of why Orthadox Jews believe only some certain thousands (30k?) of people will go to heaven. But I’m no expert. It’s all shenanigans anyway. Part of my point I suppose. Even by their own logic I’m not interested in what they think the better option for afterlife is… simply because it doesn’t reward by any valid “merit” system. Just “belief” in many cases.
I know that’s what you have read but it may not be true. :)
I believe our task here is to try and become better people, better souls. And that our choices every day matters a lot more than we think.
I don’t believe in a vengeful god at all. I don’t think anyone gets punished, even evil people. Because evil creates what some people need to evolve here in this realm.
To me it makes sense it’s more of a school for souls. Everything I see around me represents suffering, because that’s how we learn to overcome it and grow. It’s an evil place because people make it so, in order to grow.
There’s a whole lot of moral judgement involved too.
So you have to believe, but if you’re bad you clearly didn’t actually believe or you’d have repented and changed. And no, bad is not relative, that’s the point of having a God decide what is acceptable.
Downvoters and reporters: I believe this person was speaking on behalf of crazy religious people in an effort to explain what they believed. Looking at their post history, I do not think they actually believe what they are saying.
Heaven and hell isn’t for “good” or “bad” people. It’s for believers and non-believers.
You can be the most “good” person ever, but if you don’t believe in “God” (or Jesus, or whatever) you’re not going to heaven.
Inversely, you could be literally Hitler + Mao and genocide an entire population… but as long as you REALLY believe in Jesus and repent seconds before you die! (or whatever figurative loophole probably exists in your religion of choice).
So if I hit some pearly gates when I die, sign me up for Hell please…
I guess I just agree with your statement… but take mild issue with “good”.
Hell was never a thing in the abraham religions in the first place. The closest thing to it Sheol in the old testament, and that’s just what they called the earth you’re buried in.
Oh I’m aware,
That’s part of why Orthadox Jews believe only some certain thousands (30k?) of people will go to heaven. But I’m no expert. It’s all shenanigans anyway. Part of my point I suppose. Even by their own logic I’m not interested in what they think the better option for afterlife is… simply because it doesn’t reward by any valid “merit” system. Just “belief” in many cases.
I was just adding to your points. Tossing in some knowledge for the audience at home.
Shenanigans is a great word for all of it, i like that.
The Lake of Fire is actually a happening beach resort run by Satan’s failson. He calls himself the antichrist: his name is Doug.
Well, that’s what the marketing says. It’s actually the lake of Fyre.
I know that’s what you have read but it may not be true. :)
I believe our task here is to try and become better people, better souls. And that our choices every day matters a lot more than we think.
I don’t believe in a vengeful god at all. I don’t think anyone gets punished, even evil people. Because evil creates what some people need to evolve here in this realm.
To me it makes sense it’s more of a school for souls. Everything I see around me represents suffering, because that’s how we learn to overcome it and grow. It’s an evil place because people make it so, in order to grow.
Good for you, but the literature says otherwise.
Nah, you’re all wrong and you’re all gonna burn!
There’s a whole lot of moral judgement involved too.
So you have to believe, but if you’re bad you clearly didn’t actually believe or you’d have repented and changed. And no, bad is not relative, that’s the point of having a God decide what is acceptable.
Downvoters and reporters: I believe this person was speaking on behalf of crazy religious people in an effort to explain what they believed. Looking at their post history, I do not think they actually believe what they are saying.
Feel free to correct me on this.
I know it does. :) It was my first sentence above.
Did you downvote me for not agreeing with you?
Take the downvote like a reasonable person.
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