I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
    15516·
    10 days ago

    Here’s a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:

    Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.

    EDIT: as people noticed I’m not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I’m adding stuff that you guys suggest.

    * for specialised memes, as the category is rather large:

    • m-p{3}@lemmy.ca
      837·
      11 days ago

      I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen’s Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry)… like wat 😂

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
      577·
      11 days ago

      The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        355·
        11 days ago

        We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance’s target audience is wider than it actually is.

        • awwwyissss@lemm.ee
          3910·
          11 days ago

          Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            91·
            11 days ago

            Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.

            Anyway, it’s still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.

            • can@sh.itjust.works
              51·
              11 days ago

              Who knows? Lemmy gave very little feedback messages then. I found a good instance to stick with.

              Edit: it would have been around when I made this account (i.e. couple days before blackout protest and maybe they wanted to encourage signups at the several others that had recently popped up.

      • 5in1k@lemm.ee
        149·
        11 days ago

        It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.

    • awwwyissss@lemm.ee
      4213·
      11 days ago

      the main issue with .ml is transparency authoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the admins

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
      275·
      11 days ago

      If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn’t have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don’t like there crappy memes

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        399·
        11 days ago

        Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying “don’t criticise Russia or China here”. It’s fine as long as the rules are clear.

        But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR “no bigots”). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.

        And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they’re full of gullibleness and don’t get the purpose of this utterance dumb fucks.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          141·
          11 days ago

          Tbf, that admin telling someone to kill themselves wasn’t exactly a high mark for their ethics imho.

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            71·
            11 days ago

            It isn’t a high mark, I agree. But while the “kill you are self lol.” thing could be just an admin in a really shitty day, this lack of transparency is consistent behaviour.

            • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
              92·
              11 days ago

              I get what you are saying: shittiness that happens daily is a more consistent pattern than something that happens ONCE.

              On the other hand, an admin telling someone to literally kill themselves is such an extreme event that it might be grounds for their removal as an admin?

              It’s an age-old philosophy problem: which is worse, stealing daily vs. actually killing someone once?

              Or is that a trick question, since both are kinda shitty, no?

              In any case, what happens when someone does BOTH of them?

              The answer is ofc literally nothing, when said person is protected by the instance admins who are also the developers of this codebase. I wonder what would have happened though if Huffman was caught saying something similar to the users of Reddit? Yeah, nothing, that’s right - it’s not like we would leave Reddit or anything:-P. (Except I did, and now I’ve left Lemmy too, hello from PieFed!:-D)

              • Scubus@sh.itjust.works
                41·
                11 days ago

                Afaik the admins are the creators of lemmy right? Or are they just the creators of a particular instance? If its the first i would imagine they are the only ones that can de-admin themselves, and if its the latter i would imagine no one can de-admin them

              • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
                42·
                11 days ago

                Yup, they are both shitty, and grounds to remove an admin.

                However when it’s a single event there’s still the chance that it won’t happen again, as the admin could regret it. There’s still grounds for “this won’t affect me, as a user, in the future”.

                And when it’s both, as you said, it gets even worse.

            • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
              41·
              11 days ago

              I believe this comment is the original, in which case I misremembered the situation slightly: the admin wasn’t telling the OP to kill themselves, but rather stating that they (the admin) wanted to kill the OP directly. They also doubled down on that further down, and tripled down still further, e.g. stating “I hope you die soon” (all while claiming that people with PTSD could have been triggered by a fictional depiction of an unannounced kiss among friends, yet ignoring how a mod stating irl that they wish to shoot a poster would also be a much worse trigger, for violence).

              A short synopsis is that a comic, written by a Latin American woman fwiw (Latin American people are more prone to touch each other, especially in relationships), about a game scenario wherein a girl kisses a guy friend, is removed and the admin tells the OP that they want to kill them (specifically, shoot them). All of this seems predicated on the misunderstanding that in the game you need to reach 10 hearts prior to being able to kiss someone, whereas that is actually at 8 hearts and by 10 hearts you can already safely ask for their hand in marriage… or something like that. Anyway the (fictious) guy in this comic about the game has already asked the girl out on a date at the level 8 marker, offering her a bouquet of flowers, which she accepts, and then the scenario in question occurs at the level 10 marker. This is by no means a “sexual assault” - they are in an established relationship, which took effort to build up, requiring back and forth signals from both sides, each acquiescing and signaling a readiness to not only continue it but to escalate it further. But the admin did not research the game, and instead went off unhinged with this wish for OP to die by their own hand.

              There is an ENORMOUS amount of additional backstory details in https://lemm.ee/post/45248880 if you want to read more. Ignore Lvxferre and I’s tangent on moderation practices in hexbear but definitely pay attention to Lvxferre’s top-voted explanation of the context and below that a direct discussion with the actual admin in question, or at least the beginnings of one though the admin immediately ceased responding upon the first pushback of their practices. Also here’s an extremely relevant & helpful comment: https://lemm.ee/post/45248880/15580086, and below that an additional conversation between the admin and the OP, wherein despite how vehemently the admin goes hard against OP for “sexual assault”, in describing his own comment advocating for murder of the OP he says simply “It’s just a comment bro” (the irony there is palpable!).

              Some of the original is now impossible to follow properly bc despite the admin continuing to get triggered by OP’s words in defense of their actions, we can now see only the admin’s side of the story, as OP’s have all been forcibly removed. However, that’s enough imho, bc no matter what the defense was seems irrelevant given that level of rhetoric levied against OP, describing their murder at the hands of the admin. And all for a (comic about a game about a) kiss that was reciprocated hence consensual to begin with, and among people who have already begun to become romantically involved, that the admin decided must be described as none other than sexual assault.

              Don’t get lost in all the details and miss the main point though: even if the admin had been correct about the kiss, how would that justify their own actions to say how they wanted to murder OP and hopes that they die soon?

              People continually report being disappointed by the moderation practices going on at lemmy.ml, hence moving communities off of it is a self-protective measure to try to keep Lemmy alive rather than allow such to send people away, possibly back to Reddit.

              • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
                31·
                10 days ago

                That comic is cute as hell lmao

                I love seeing kissless virgins explain that any kind of affection given without explicit verbal consent is sexual violence, no matter the circumstances

                I need you to understand that posts like these can absolutely wreck someones day and pose a barrier to the site and lemmy as a whole. So best case: it’s ableist to put it up.

                This reads like a character in a conservative political cartoon. Complaining about ableism while simultaneously telling someone you want to murder them. If this is who we’ve got moderating our online spaces, the left is fucking cooked

                • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                  32·
                  10 days ago

                  I mean, tbf they aren’t actually “leftist”, most people agree, just play pretending to be such without seeming to really understand what that even means.

                  Also I probably went way overboard with the explanation bc the mere fact that the girl in the comic immediately reciprocates tells all the backstory needed that she did actually want it - she was merely surprised at first, not shocked and horrified as a triggering event would have been.

                  Anyway, good luck getting this admin removed - they are more entrenched on lemmy.ml than an admin would be at Reddit. Although similarly, we don’t have to remain associated with the likes of Reddit lemmy.ml and can move on to better things.

                  Sort of, except that the mod tools on Lemmy reportedly suck, especially over instance barriers. The admins seem to not be prioritizing that, which btw I am 100% in support of the fact that that is their right to do so - we are using their codebase after all (well, you are, on PieFed I’m not:-), and if we want better, it would be up to us to build it, either by contributing to Lemmy or one of its alternatives like PieFed or Mbin (although Sublinks seems dead maybe?).

        • Serinus@lemmy.world
          42·
          11 days ago

          That rule becomes clear very quickly when you’re familiar with Lemmy. (Unless you’re defederated from .ml.)

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            202·
            11 days ago

            It is not enough; it should be explicit. Users should be able to know the rules of an instance before they even interact with it.

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        436·
        11 days ago

        I’m avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn’t put even more eggs in that basket, you know.

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            143·
            11 days ago

            Nobody is throwing eggs out. I’m recommending one basket instead of another, that’s it.

            • Serinus@lemmy.world
              99·
              11 days ago

              Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.

              If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.

              Get a game developer to start posting their stuff on your new instance. Get celebrities to start posting their AMAs somewhere. Get big newspapers to start their own instance.

              Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have. Federation is a feature, not a purpose, and it’s already doing its job by making .ml less relevant for a good reason.

              • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
                103·
                11 days ago

                Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.

                Yeah, because people don’t totally cross-post stuff all the time, or subscribe to multiple comms around the same topic.

                If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.

                If you’re that pissed that I’m not listing .world comms, to the point of trying to boss me around (see emphasis on imperative), you can list yourself those comms. With blackjack and hookers.

                Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.

                Okay, full stop here. Cut off the crap - in no moment I’m trying to “kill” those communities in .world, and you’re being a disingenuous liar (or worse, a bloody moron) for claiming otherwise.

                Not going to waste my time further with you.

              • Blaze (he/him)@lemmy.cafeEnglish
                3·
                11 days ago

                Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.

                !showsandmovies@lemm.ee has twice the number of active users compared to !television@lemmy.world , still people won’t move to it, keeping both communities active and preventing grow of a single community on that topic.

                If you’re so in favor of growing single communities on a topic, could you please consider redirecting to the lemm.ee community? It’s not like LW is lacking in active communities

                Same for !movies@lemm.ee and !movies@lemmy.world

                • Serinus@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  11 days ago

                  I’d generally be in favor of some kind of cooperation agreement. I’d certainly promote the larger community over the smaller one.

                  We absolutely have allowed moderators to close and redirect their community off of LW…

          • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
            2·
            10 days ago

            Did they suggest moving to the random.trsh website? This is still Lemmy, it’s still federalized and non-corporate and decentralized.

    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
      258·
      11 days ago

      Mmhmm, mmhmm - secret laws, secret trials - definitely not authoritarian behavior at all.

    • Sergio@slrpnk.netEnglish
      163·
      11 days ago

      memes:

      and for more specialized memes:

      world news: I realize you’re avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you’re listing !news@beehaw.org, but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?

    • WolfdadCigarette@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
      143·
      11 days ago

      An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.

    • Mothra@mander.xyz
      4·
      11 days ago

      Hello! That’s a very lovely formatted table with links, however, clicking on them does nothing for me whilst clicking on links otherwise in the replies does take me to the respective communities. I don’t know if it’s just me though.

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        51·
        11 days ago

        That’s weird - are you accessing lemmy through a browser, or some app?

        Check if it works here: !funny@sh.itjust.works

        If it does then it’s the table interacting weirdly with the links, I can fix it by removing the table.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          21·
          10 days ago

          Fwiw all the links work fine for me from both PieFed and Lemmy.World base web UI even without an account. So it must be an app issue, and all the “standard” methods of access work.

          • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
            21·
            10 days ago

            It must be an app issue then. (Certainly not an instance issue, as Mothra is in the same instance as I do.)

            Just to be safe I’m going to convert the thing into a bullet points list.

    • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
      31·
      10 days ago

      Hey. Hey, people. Just selecting each link and subscribing will vastly improve your experience here in the fediverse. Do it now, before you forget!

    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
      1628·
      11 days ago

      It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.

      I see a lot more of that on .world communities, specifically the news and political memes communities will remove comments for “misinformation” even if you’re citing academic works.

      • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
        3211·
        11 days ago

        will remove comments for “misinformation”

        As they should

        even if you’re citing academic works.

        I’ve seen the “academic works” y’all cite, blog posts, YT videos, random books and retracted studies

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
          111·
          11 days ago

          random books

          So if we’re not allowed to cite books, what exactly do you want?

          blog posts, YT videos, and retracted studies

          Who is citing those? I’ve had liberals link hour long youtube essays and I just say “lol I’m not going to read that”, but I’ve not noticed anyone on the left doing that.

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        181·
        11 days ago

        If the .world admins are doing it too, it’s also bad. Thankfully I didn’t list a single .world community, although for another reason.

        • NateNate60@lemmy.world
          11·
          11 days ago

          From a formal logic perspective, your statement is true. But in real life, the more important distinction is not between “true” and “false”, but between “purposefully deceptive and ungenuine disinformation” versus “outspoken dissenting viewpoint”. And that is one that people are really bad at telling the difference between, especially if the viewpoint in particular is one that they hold very strongly.

        • zante@slrpnk.netEnglish
          157·
          11 days ago

          Classically lemmy.world.

          “Your peer reviewed academic studies are misinformation, do you not read the news ?”

  • can@sh.itjust.works
    1066·
    11 days ago

    As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
      3818·
      11 days ago

      Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn’t allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.

      I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did

          • can@sh.itjust.works
            1711·
            11 days ago

            Or more subtly:

            I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?

            It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.

            Je suis en retard
            Becomes
            Je suis en removed

            Edit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:

            Edit2: lmao

            • marcos@lemmy.world
              171·
              11 days ago

              I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
              513·
              11 days ago

              oh no I’m not allowed to use a slur even though I’m using it in a common phrase that originates as the slur being used as a slur

              I’m supposed to get away with doing things

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  313·
                  10 days ago

                  You said two stupid things but only one of them was fun to make a joke out of.

                  Your french shit is equally stupid. “But it’s not a slur in a language we aren’t speaking right now so I should get to say it!!!”

                  How about you just stop having a piss fit you spoiled little fuck? Not once in your ‘analysis’ are you bothering to do the literally only valuable piece of thought work: actually measuring the cost/benefit of having a strong deterrence to bigotry vs “I can think of a word that has a slur as part of it but can still be easily understood by people reading it through context clues”

                  When a piece of shit only weighs the cost of doing things to protect vulnerable minorities and not the benefit to those people, it’s pretty fucking easy to suss out their beliefs on the issue in general.

          • spacedout@lemmy.ml
            82·
            11 days ago

            Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders’ World Press Freedom index. I’m not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn’t seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like “tankie” (a word with parallels to terms like “pinko” and “judeo Bolshevik”).

            • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              10 days ago

              Even the US has protected classes even if the list is woefully short.

              I doubt tankies are a protected class in nordic states since they are like nazis and other groups that fetishize violent oppression. Tankie doesn’t parallel with pinko becsuse one is about violent oppression and the other is about the left side of the political spectrum.

            • spacedout@lemmy.ml
              14·
              11 days ago

              In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.

              • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                7·
                11 days ago

                Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.

                What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?

                • spacedout@lemmy.ml
                  31·
                  11 days ago

                  Thank you, that’s true but doesn’t catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn’t need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.

                  I’ve been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.

        • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
          146·
          11 days ago

          I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.

          • 🇸‌🇵‌🇪‌🇨‌🇺‌🇱‌🇦‌🇹‌🇪‌🇷‌@lemmy.world
            127·
            11 days ago

            My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”

            They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.

            • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
              32·
              10 days ago

              You didn’t choose a random word. It’s obvious why you chose that specific word in reference to gaming hardware. And we know the racist roots of the term.

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
          7·
          11 days ago

          don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words

          What were the normal words that people found so offensive?

    • Serinus@lemmy.world
      2313·
      11 days ago

      Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.

      The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

      If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.

      • can@sh.itjust.works
        202·
        11 days ago

        There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.

        The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.

        The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:

        source

        • Serinus@lemmy.world
          13·
          11 days ago

          I can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.

          • can@sh.itjust.works
            7·
            11 days ago

            It’s not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.

          • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            5·
            10 days ago

            we need to be even smaller

            That’s not the argument, please don’t trust it needlessly like that

            The point is that having everything be on one instance results in the centralized abuse of power we saw with reddit

            Per example: .world has some famously bad power mods (a certain soaring mollusk comes to mind) same as reddit, growing communities outside of that centralized area gives us a place to run when they finally snap completely, as is inevitable with power mods

            This is very easy to do thanks to how Lemmy works

            • Serinus@lemmy.world
              12·
              10 days ago

              That mod has one political community. That’s it. “They” appears to be one mod of one community that you have an issue with.

      • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee
        8·
        11 days ago

        I don’t think most of the data in the network should be hosted by a single legal entity, that’s just unhealthy even if the protocol is open. It’s also my main complaint about bluesky- technically open protocol, de facto centralization.

      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        11 days ago

        You can see instances that haven’t been defederated. Why is it important for everyone to be on the same one? Everyone has the ability to get the same feed on All.

  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
    9621·
    11 days ago

    I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao

    Edit: thank you for the link, Lazycog@sopuli.xyz!

    https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275

    I stand by every single comment that’s been removed from this platform. Some of them were removed for good reason, one of them was a brain fart that I shouldn’t have posted in the first place, but I’m happy to have y’all investigate my moderation history

    ETA: If you read this, and then replied to a comment that’s already been removed from a community I’m banned from, you’re an idiot. I literally can’t interact with you. Why not reply to this comment?

    • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
      5115·
      11 days ago

      I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.

      What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
        104·
        10 days ago

        For clarity, the thread you are talking about was filled with reasonable discussion that you doubled down on ignoring. The biggest thing people took issue with is your insistence on having a negative opinion towards something you in the same breath admitted you lacked real knowledge of how the PRC works. There’s a difference between having an opinion based on strong investigation, and one made by vibes, something pointed out repeatedly to you.

        • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
          43·
          10 days ago

          If somebody so desperately wants me to support the second most powerful empire in the world the burden of proof is on them, not on me.

          • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
            32·
            10 days ago

            The burden of proof is on the person making claims. The people in that thread nevertheless gave you plenty of proof countering your claims.

            • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
              13·
              10 days ago

              My claim was that tankies exist. Which you’re proving true once again.

              Go watch CGTN, aka the only “proof” supplied.

              • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                32·
                10 days ago

                I provided much more than CGTN, and that was with respect to legal structures alone. Everyone else provided plenty of evidence as well. You provided very little and doubled down on anti-China myths.

          • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
            22·
            9 days ago

            The only burden I’ve ever placed on you is to be self-consistent and not use homophobic insults.

            And I don’t need your support for China. You are largely indistinguishable from other liberals that think they are anarchist for some unclear reason, having done no work to shed the liberal propaganda against the US state’s designated enemies. And now that you are over here having clearly done no reflection or self-criticism regarding your misconceptions and bad faith behavior, why do you think anyone should spend time trying to educate you?

            • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
              32·
              9 days ago

              If you don’t need my support why are you badgering me here??? I never asked to be “educated” if that’s what you call your sleuth of abusr. Leave me alone, you’re blocked.

              • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
                22·
                9 days ago

                I am correcting your false claims and am getting amused by the fact that you abandoned any pretense of reading or responding to explanations in the previous thread, even making excuses for not having the time to do so, even though now that you clearly do have time you are using it to instead double down on your misconceptions while still lashing out at “the tankies” (me).

                You lobbed insults and denigration and now plead victimhood when receiving mild criticism of your claims and behavior.

      • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
        22·
        9 days ago

        lol you’re still at this after abandoning this thread? The one where you jumped in, whinged about “tankies”, and then ignored nearly everything that I said to you while apologizing for not having the time to respond?

        Why are you now here and still whinging rather than back at that thread actually engaging? Why are you doubling down on this nonsense when you couldn’t defend it directly against your targets of insult?

        Remember when you resorted to the homophobic remarks I predicted?

      • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
        1020·
        11 days ago

        The thing I hate about tankies is the same thing I hate about fascists, every other living thing on earth shares a common ancestor with them. I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree, return them to the dirt they truly are so that they may be of some use to all living creatures.

        • _lunar@lemmy.ml
          61·
          10 days ago

          imagine saying shit like " I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree" and thinking you’re anti-fascist

          • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
            16·
            10 days ago

            But I am an anti fascist, just cause im a bloodthirsty bastard who thinks murder is a borderline panacea doesnt mean I am fascist. Fascism has some very notable ideological elements that do not apply to me. Also when I say want to kill someone unless they are in a position of power I want to beat them physically first so that I may break their beliefs, after all if they stop believing then they arent a fascist now are they.

            Just cause you associate bloodthirst and antisocial tendencies with fascists doesnt make it an applicable element to me. Plus I loath authority too much to be an authoritarian, it is traditional amongst my kin to reject even our elders authority.

            • _lunar@lemmy.ml
              4·
              10 days ago

              gee, i’m peeing my pants over here

              i called you a fascist because of your borderline eugenicist way of framing it, but you’re also a psychopath too apparently so that’s fun

              • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
                14·
                10 days ago

                I was making a darwin award joke, basically just a way of saying I want to commit homicide. Also not psychopathy just a nasty mix of Autism and PTSD.

        • WamGams@lemmy.ca
          64·
          10 days ago

          Tankies essentially have more in common with other fascists than they do other leftists.

          I once joined a stalinist discord. 3 weeks later it was a community of trans-Hitlerites who required an ID to join.

          Is it 100% accurate to write communism off as fascism hiding under leftist wool? No, not 100% accurate, but it sure saves a hell of a lot of time.

    • alien@lemmy.ml
      164·
      11 days ago

      Thanks for posting that, I had no idea. Yikes. Time to find a new instance.

          • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
            349·
            11 days ago

            Thank you, I had no idea how to find this, it’s super fascinating

            Some of these removals are perfectly warranted, like that L + ratio comment. It was a fun comment, but not productive. I didn’t even know I was banned from 196 for… Defending genocide? Because I didn’t want Trump elected? I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.

            All the recent .ml stuff is because of “rule 1,” and y’all can plainly see that none of the comments removed were bigoted, and only one was uncivil.

            • Lazycog@sopuli.xyz
              123·
              11 days ago

              No problem! I just got interested how the modlog actually looks like after seeing this comment chain and decided to finally check it out.

              No idea whether that link is only showing the lemmy.ml admins actions on you or do the mod actions federate and show all the actions mods on any instance have taken on you though

            • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
              3027·
              11 days ago

              I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.

              The guys who’ve spent the last year telling the democrats “You need to stop the genocide and promote popular left policy if you want to win” are not responsible for the dems loss. The dems are responsible for their own loss for ignoring the obvious advice of “stop doing the thing that made you lose in 2022 and 2016 and 2010 and 2004 and instead do the thing that made you win in 2008 and 2020”

              It’s particularly gross to suggest a predominantly trans instance wanted a trump presidency.

              • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
                3111·
                11 days ago

                I agree that it’s the Democrats’ fault that they lost, but I stand by the assertion that people who would rather not vote at all than vote for the lesser of two evils are partially to blame when the greater of two evils wins.

                I didn’t say they wanted a Trump presidency, I said they didn’t want a Harris presidency. I only congratulated them on their efforts to prevent that.

                • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                  1518·
                  11 days ago

                  The people saying “Genocide, punishing immigrants, tough-on-crime rhetoric, and complicated, means-tested bullshit decreases your bases turnout” are not at fault for those unpopular policies decreasing turnout. Everyone who failed to publicly criticize the dems so they could maintain the delusion they could win while promising to do the opposite of what the people whose votes they depend on want are far more culpable.

              • Anomaline@lemmy.world
                177·
                11 days ago

                Trans people voted for Harris, overwhelmingly. The problems were with white guys with a weird stick up their ass trying to convince everyone else not to vote to protect us. Good work I guess, you got what you wanted.

                • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                  51·
                  11 days ago

                  Nobody was telling people not to vote Harris, there’s a difference between that and telling the dems that the policies and messaging they adopted from the Republican’s 2016 platform were wildly unpopular and will not win the election.

                  And if the dems successfully ignore and silence all criticism from the left, they’re going to do the same shit in 2026 and 2028.

              • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
                514·
                11 days ago

                One time, drag’s friend accidentally left his fly open in public. Drag wanted to save him the embarassment of having it open, and drag knew exactly what to do to help him.

                So drag got up in front of everyone in the bar, shouted that the friend’s fly was open, and shared some dank memes making fun of him.

                Drag’s friend claims that nobody from that night respects him anymore and drag is a terrible friend, but that’s nonsense. He’s the one who left his fly open, drag was just helping him avoid embarrassment.

                • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
                  98·
                  11 days ago

                  If Drag spent 4 years telling Drag’s buddy “Zip up your fly, or you’re going to be thrown out”, and instead drag’s friend shows his Dick to everyone at the bar, it’s not Drag’s fault. Nor is it the fault of everyone else at the bar for being repelled.

                  If Drag’s friend thinks everyone would have been OK with him flashing non-consenting people, and that Drag simply convinced everyone this was repellent behavior, that’s even more reason to listen to Drag.

        • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
          8·
          11 days ago

          Scroll all the way to the bottom and click mod log to search. or click the 3 vertical dots to see a specific users mod history.

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
          115·
          11 days ago

          It might be an instance thing, I don’t know if all instances make modlogs this transparent.

    • Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social
      75·
      10 days ago

      The Winnie the Pooh stuff is just completely made up by Western propaganda. Also, how hard is “yellow face is racist”, when saying an Asian looks like a cartoon with yellow skin?

    • TGhost [She/Her]@lemm.eeEnglish
      1113·
      11 days ago

      Banned starman2112 @sh.itjust.works from the community 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone reason: Weirdo who defends genocide, because only young people are aginast it

      Thanks for the link and the laugh! 😂

      It’s amusing to see the average user criticizing .ml while ignoring the bad behavior of others. LMAO!

      Weirdo, why im not surprised at all 😂

  • hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com
    6717·
    10 days ago

    Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it’s easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.

  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
    6821·
    10 days ago

    “We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber”!

    Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?

  • Schwim Dandy@lemm.ee
    413·
    10 days ago

    I don’t think the meme makes sense. The ml users don’t seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they’d like.

  • coherent_domain@infosec.pubEnglish
    326·
    11 days ago

    I like the idea of growing non-ml community, however, I wish larger instances do not block ML. Otherwise, they would just move to lemmy.ee or lemmy.one, just like how they moved from hexbear and grad to ml.

    It is great tankies got their own place where they can be happy, but I really don’t want to interact with them. I am emotional about issues they engage in, and emotional me is usually not the nicest version of myself.

    Social media is one of the few ways I can relax for couple hours per week outside of my job, and I really don’t want my social media experience to go full investigative journalism.

  • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
    327·
    11 days ago

    honestly, I eventually got fed up enough and instance blocked .ml on my account a couple weeks ago, and Ive barely noticed a difference. It was the bulk of lemmy right after it started to get some migration from Reddit, but it isnt nearly as essential these days already

      • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
        9·
        11 days ago

        Assuming that these settings are a universal part of lemmy and not instance specific, I click my name in the top right corner, select settings from the dropdown, and then there is a page with 2 tabs, one saying settings and a second that I can switch to called “blocks”. In the blocks tab, I can view and add to lists of blocked users, communities, and instances. Just go to the instances drop down, and search “lemmy.ml” and click the option that appears to add it to the block list.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          8·
          11 days ago

          Tbf that doesn’t actually do much at all in terms of blocking an instance, hence is horribly misnamed imho. All it does is mute communities located on that instance. The users from that instance can still harass you in posts in other communities, triggering notifications, vote on your content, etc.

          The Sync and Connect can do true user-level blocking of any instance you choose without needing admin support, and the Lemmy alternative PieFed, or e.g. Lemmy.cafe or dubvee org have blocked all of the big 3 tankie instances.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
      4611·
      11 days ago

      Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest instances that serves up tankies, there was some conversation going on the .world admin thread regarding the federation issues about why not just defederate/“not fix it” and it was brought up they have a lot of content including one of the biggest Linux communities.

      Thus this meme was born lol

    • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
      206·
      11 days ago

      ive noticed several communities being moved off of .ml because of overacting mods shitting their own beds (my fav movies comm being one of them). kinda the whole point of the 'verse. i also noticed a recent sync in-congruence from .ml to .world which indicates some kind of funny business… purposeful or not

      the locals at .ml seem to have this notion that theyre too big to fail, which is patently not true considering the tiny size of the fediverse overall.

      id recommend users utilize a ‘home’ instance thats more of an onramp than local-content curation… (https://moist.catsweat.com/ being in this category) they tend to not defederate from any instances so users can easily switch subscriptions when shit goes sideways in the content-heavy servers without making new accounts.

      • FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyzEnglish
        131·
        11 days ago

        i also noticed a recent sync in-congruence from .ml to .world which indicates some kind of funny business… purposeful or not

        This isn’t unique to world or ml. There’s some wonky shit going on with federating across Lemmy at the very least, maybe other parts of the fediverse that I don’t use. On walledgarden there are at least half a dozen instances that are falling in and out of sync with our communities. No one on either side of the connection seems to have an answer for what caused this behavior or how to correct it. Talking to some other instances, we aren’t alone.

        The lemmyverse crawler/site has also shown some odd behavior with communities and instances disappearing and reappearing seemingly at random.

        I don’t think anything malicious is being done by any of the instances or admins in regards to federation delays.

    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1612·
      11 days ago

      OP is a nazi in the slow process of walling themselves off to everything but the furthest right most racist social circle possible and .ml is the worst now that hexbear and lemmygrad are gone. It won’t be enough and the cycle will just continue if they get their way.

      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        117·
        11 days ago

        If that’s your argument then I assume the “nazi” accusation is just bs. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were full of extremists.

        • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
          63·
          10 days ago

          Not sure what if any specific accusations you have in your head that remain unspoken, but the only thing you’re doing right now is showing off your terminal war on terror brain. “Extremists” means nothing. You’re talking about a community that posts owl pictures.

          Did they yell at you too much for supporting a genocide? Did someone in your past refer to someone trying to purge leftists a ‘nazi’ and you took it personally?

          You’re the extremist. You’re upset because you’re a bad person talking about good people.

          • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            32·
            10 days ago

            It’s hilarious how I don’t even need to say anything more than that those two websites are bad and you immediately constructed a whole bogeyman to punch at.

            Anyone who’s visiting lemmygrad.ml (btw having a logo literally showing a battle tank) for more than 30 minutes and reading replies will not just see phenomenal bias towards China, the USSR and BRICS but utter denial of anything bad about them (usually through a mix of whataboutism and rabbit holes of political theory that eventually lead nowhere unless seen through a romanticized lense). Common “NATO caused Ukraine” and even old USSR propaganda nonsense gets flung around. Meanwhile you have to click through it really hard to find even one, for example, China-critical post (couldn’t find even one). Same with hexbear. The bias is as bad as your comebacks.

            Well educated people are able to see and criticize all kind of wrongdoing, let it be from Russia, Israel, USA, China, socialism, capitalism or even some internet dork in the comment section. Those communities can not, they’re purely ideology- and doctrin-driven.

            I welcome anyone reading this to visit lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net and make up their own mind. 🙂

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
              22·
              9 days ago

              Are you literally a bot? Your answer is so generic and nonspecific. Why are you replying to me if you’re not going to answer my questions or respond to anything I said.

              What boogeyman? This is the second time someone’s used that buzzword without explaining wtf they’re talking about with it.

              The other 90% of your comment is just you being a fucking idiot saying shit about things you’ve never investigated. It alludes to the idea that you’ve had arguments with people before, but when they inform you of recent history and uncontroversial facts, you just have a mental block that prevents you from learning anything. But it cannot be emphasized enough: it’s nothing but a robotic rant about leftists that you could have stuck under any comment that triggered you.

              But I’ll second your recommendation that people visit those sites, especially hexbear. These people are not normal, they’re not good, and there are places where you can have a good internet experience without these right wing psychos recreating the worst parts of reddit.

      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        309·
        11 days ago

        Damn, never noticed I couldn’t say stuff like “the US is a shitshow” over here. The agents on my door were always so nice as well!

        Buggers, guess I’ll have to buy some Apple stocks now and pleasure myself over a picture of Abraham Lincoln.

        • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
          1618·
          11 days ago

          You can say whatever you like if nobody cares.

          Say something bad about liberalism, NATO, or Ukraine or something good about China or the USSR that threatens the narratives the mods are invested in, and you’re liable to have your comment removed for “misinformation”, especially if you cite academic works.

            • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
              8·
              11 days ago

              Where are you finding low-quality works being cited by MLs? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but ML groups are infinitely more willing to engage in self-crit than liberals.

              An example I had comments removed for was Liberalism: A counter history, that goes through the words, actions, and context of major liberal philosophers to define liberalism.

              Also Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia, because using real data to derive a nuanced understanding distracted from the USSR bad circle-jerk.

        • subversive_dev@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1627·
          11 days ago

          Try praising a US adversary state or mentioning the century of US imperialism and war crimes

          • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            348·
            11 days ago

            Dude, there were literal happy posts all over the place when Kissinger passed. There are US-critical memes on Lemmy and the Fedi all the time, in addition to those making fun of Russia, China, communism etc. Most people are aware that the US is shit. However they’re also aware that the USSR back then and China right now are also huge piles of garbage, politically speaking (country and people sure are nice!).

            Has it ever cross your mind that most people ain’t pissed because you’re anti-US, but because you’re pro-shit?

            • subversive_dev@lemmy.mlEnglish
              82·
              11 days ago

              Sigh… Speaking only for myself, I am anti-Imperialist and pro-labor. I’m against the total dominion of the ruling class over all aspects of life in “The West”. I’m against a propaganda apparatus that deceives us into thinking servitude and misery is freedom. I’m against inventing atrocities supposedly committed by adversary states. I’m against thinking that reactionary thought can be defeated without state intervention. If that is pro shit then I am pro shit.

              Have you ever considered that perhaps I once believed exactly as you did but then exposure to media outside of ruling class control here on lemmy “radicalized” me?

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
              89·
              11 days ago

              So cool that you’re allowed to criticize the US except you just happen to believe everything it says about everything it actually does so you’re never in conflict with it at all ever

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  53·
                  10 days ago

                  I’m sorry, what do you think a ‘boogeyman’ is? Do you dipshits just throw darts at a board to pick thought terminating cliches?

                  How does the concept of ‘boogeyman’ relate to the idea that you have never been in a position to learn if you have free speech in the first place, since you never say anything that conflicts with power?

            • subversive_dev@lemmy.mlEnglish
              112·
              11 days ago

              One side of the lefty versus lib divide is continuously agitating for defederation and downvoting every opinion they don’t agree with. One side disabled downvotes. Care to guess which is which?

          • TheFonz@lemmy.world
            106·
            11 days ago

            NO ONE IS GETTING BANNED FOR CRITISIZING THE US HERE. In fact, it’s the norm here. Now, can you tell me how much I can badmouth the ccp on ml???

            • subversive_dev@lemmy.mlEnglish
              42·
              11 days ago

              Can you show me an example of a well-reasoned and well-sourced criticism of China that triggered moderation action?

              • TheFonz@lemmy.world
                21·
                10 days ago

                I got banned simply for stating that China is a centrally planned economy. Is that a bannable of fence nin your view despite it being the main description on Wikipedia and among most economists?

                • subversive_dev@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  23·
                  9 days ago

                  From your description, that certainly sounds like an uncontroversial take, I would love to see the actual post though… Commonly people’s summaries of posts that got them banned differ quite drastically from the actual post

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3716·
    10 days ago

    Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.