Objective: Secure & private password management, prevent anyone from stealing your passwords.

Option 1: Store Keepass PW file in personal cloud service like OneDrive/GoogleDrive/etc , download file, use KeepassXC to Open

Option 2: Use ProtonPass or similar solution like Bitwarden

Option 3: Host a solution like Vaultwarden

Which would do you choose? Are there more options ? Assume strong masterpassword and strong technical skills

  • hummingbird@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    9 months ago

    Keepass on phone, desktop and tablet. Sync serverless via Syncthing.

    • completely private
    • always available when needed
    • no dependency on services which may go away
    • all open source software
    • maximum security
      • Rootiest@lemm.eeEnglish
        31·
        9 months ago

        Check out tailscale (or headscale)

        It lets you connect those devices without necessarily sending all data through your home network when you are remote. (Though that is an option along with many other great features like ssh authentication)

        It also uses WireGuard for the backend which is more secure and efficient than openvpn.

  • marcos@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    9 months ago

    Keepass + syncthing.

    Don’t let your vault go unencrypted through the cloud.

    • ferret@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      Your vault is always encrypted very securly except when in RAM. There is no security concern with uploading it directly to the cloud.

      • marcos@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        9 months ago

        It’s encrypted at rest with a passphrase. Syncthing encrypts it at transit with a random key.

        There is a huge difference on the security of those.

        • pchem@feddit.deEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          Keepass allows you to use a passphrase in combination with a randomly generated keyfile. You only need to copy the keyfiles to your devices once (not via cloud services, obviously). Your actual database can then be synchronized via any cloud provider of your choice (hell, you could even upload it publicly for everyone to see) and it would still be secure.

  • tlf@feddit.de
    English
    24·
    9 months ago

    I use option 1 with Syncthing for a distributed cloud solution

  • Heavybell@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    9 months ago

    Keepass fIle in my own nextcloud instances, synced to my phone so I can also use keepass2android. This way if something happens I at least have another copy of it, beyond my backup system.

    • creed10@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      9 months ago

      that’s actually exactly how I have my setup. I just use syncthing to keep everything dynamically backed up as I add passwords. my main login password is memorized and not written down anywhere so I think I’m good

    • krush_groove@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      I do the same, but synced to Dropbox from computers and phone.

      I have the Proton password manager as well but not sure yet if I’ll do a full swap over.

  • Shayeta@feddit.deEnglish
    13·
    9 months ago

    I’ve used Option 1 with my Nextcloud and it works perfectly. Other options seem more apropriate when you need scale, many user each with their own vault.

    • krush_groove@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      I’ve never heard of Syncthing, I use Keepass on Windows and my Android, syncing to Dropbox. If I change to Syncthing is it an easy swap, anything I should watch out for?

  • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.eeEnglish
    131·
    9 months ago

    I used to self host Bitwarden, but didn’t want the hassle of securing it and updating it properly and consistently. So I just pay $10 for bitwarden premium and I get to support the company.

  • James Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
    101·
    9 months ago

    Option 2. It’s the most robust. You’ll never lose it (provided you have the redundancy), you can use it offline, you can transfer it using a USB pen, it’s available in all platforms, including web. I’ve been using this for 8+ years, on my phone, desktop, laptop, company computer, etc. I store it on a personal cloud (and on each machine, of course, by syncing).

  • ⓝⓞ🅞🅝🅔@lemmy.caEnglish
    9·
    9 months ago

    I use and prefer option one, but take it a step further in that I host my own cloud service. I used to use Dropbox for years, but we got divorced.

  • Lightning66@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    9 months ago

    Vaultwarden. And take regular back ups. I don’t trust my passwords to be safe anywhere other than my own servers. The chances of my server being hacked is very less.

  • MajinBlayze@lemm.eeEnglish
    7·
    9 months ago

    I used option 1 (KeePass synced to Google Drive) for years. It’s nice that you know you have control of your passwords at all times, and as long as you can access your cloud storage account and can download a KeePass app, you can get your passwords. It works reasonably well most of the time, but I was consistently running into edge cases that weren’t as smooth as I’d have liked (mostly apps on Android)

    I switched to vaultwarden (option 3), and immediately fell in love with things mostly just working. However, since I was hosting it out of my house, I had a bit of a disaster recovery problem. If i had say a fire, I could easily lose all copies of my vault, which would be… suboptimal.

    After reviewing the options, I switched to straight bitwarden. I’ve been happy with the experience, and once I have disposable income, I plan to get pro long enough to have emergency contacts available so my family can still get important passwords in case of the worst.

    All options have their pros and cons, but IMO password storage is something that deserves to be given proper consideration.