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  • It’s not a workaround.
    In the old days, if you had 2 services that were hard coded to use the same network port, you would need virtualization or a different server and make sure the networking for those is correct.

    Network ports allow multiple services to use the same network adapter as a port is like a “sub” address.
    Docker being able to remap host network ports to containers ports is a huge feature.
    If a container doesn’t need to be accessed outside of the docker network, you don’t need to expose the port.

    The only way to have multiple services on the same port is to use either a load balancer (for multiple instances of the same service) or an application-aware reverse proxy (like nginx, haproxy, caddy etc for web things, I’m sure there are other application-aware reverse proxies).


  • Well, I’m glad compressed audio is good for you. I know many people that couldn’t care less.
    The person you commented on and myself have both found Spotify quality to be lacking.
    I’ve found tidal, and it’s Spotify without the chuff and pays artists better. And it’s cheaper.
    Maybe I can’t actually hear the difference, and a true A-B blind would show the truth, but I don’t care enough to do that. I’m enjoying music more, and I’m saving money






  • If they are on the same subnet, why are they going via the router? Surely the NIC/OS will know it’s a local address within its subnet, and will send it directly; as opposed to not knowing where to send the packet, so letting the router deal with it.

    I’m assuming you are using a standard 24 bit subnet mask, because you haven’t provided anything that indicates otherwise and the issue you present would be indicative of a local link being used - this possible



  • So, is public accessibility actually required?
    Does it need to be exposed to the public internet?

    Why not use wireguard (or another VPN)? Even easier is tailscale.
    If you are hand selecting users (IE, doesn’t actually need to be publicly accessible), then VPN is the most secure and just run a reverse proxy for ease & certs.
    Or set up client certificate authentication, so only users that install a certificate issued by you can connect to the service (dunno how that works for 3rd party apps to immich)

    Like I asked, what is your actual threat model?
    What are your requirements?
    Is public accessibility actually required?



  • That got a bit long.
    Reading more into bunkerweb.

    Things like the “limit” feature are going to doink people on cgnat or large corporate networks. I’ve had security stuff tripped by a company using my software, and it’s a PITA cause all the requests from legit users come from only a few IP addresses.

    Antibot isn’t going to be helpful for things like JS requests, because cookies aren’t included by default with fetch requests - so the application needs to be specifically built for this (at which point, do it at an application level so it can scale easier?).
    And captcha. For whatever that is worth these days.

    Reverse Scan is going to slow down every request (as it scans the remote client for suspicious open ports, so a 500ms delay as default).

    Country is just geo-ip.

    Bad Behaviour is just rate limiting (although with a 24h ban). Sucks if a few corporate/cgnat users all hit a 404 and suddenly that entire company/ISP’s IP is blocked for a day.

    This seems like something to use when running a TOR server or something, where security is more important than user experience. Like, every feature seems to punish legit users


  • LE certs can always be “side loaded” by acme.sh or LEbot or whatever, and the reverse proxy restarted to use the new certs. So, the whole “pro subscription to use specific certs” shouldn’t be a factor, except a little more work/config (so, money Vs time).

    Now for my opinion…

    For base security, all it’s doing is looking at whatever you tell it to look at in an http request and forward/drop/block as such.
    HAProxy is well battle-tested. Nginx is well battle-tested. Traefik and caddy are comparably newer contenders, but considering their adoption they are probably well battle-tested.
    Which means, an established reverse proxy is only going to be as secure as the software it’s forwarding traffic to.

    If there happens to be some mental TLS handshake RCE that comes up, chances are they are all using the same underlying TLS library so all will be susceptible…
    But at least an attacker only gets access to the reverse proxy server. Which is why it’s worth having that in a locked down isolated VM, ideally built in a way that is extremely easy to rebuild (declarative configs like docker-compose and some scripts, or even something like nixos for an immutable OS).

    As for add-ons… Most WAFs only look for things like XSS injection or SQL injection or exploitative HTTP request formats. Very very basic attack vectors that any decent HTTP stack and reasonably built software shouldn’t have to even worry.
    Any DDOS protection is more likely to blast your network connectivity, which (for self hosting) a WAF isn’t going to be able to do anything about.
    I’m not sure how good they actually are against a DOS attack that is caused by bugs/inefficiencies in the application. Maybe they monitor for long/increasing response times, and block further requests to them? Might cause a lot of false-positives for your users.

    So, the only real benefit - that I see - are zero-day exploit protections… and that only matters if they are built around near-realtime updates like crowdsec is. I don’t know how it compares to cloudflares WAF, tho.
    Any zero-day protection that isn’t being managed and updated in near-realtime is about as effective as you monitoring news of your installed services/programmes and updating them regularly. Because you are likely to update your WAF and apps when you hear about those, or regular scheduled updates will deal with them before you even learn about them.

    I guess there is security in layers, and if layers of security is more important than CPU consumption/response time/requests per second (ie have an abundance of processing, servicing few users, etc) then it might be a no-brainer.

    The only other time I can see a generic WAF being useful is if you have rolled your own framework and HTTP stack, and are running your own software. Because, you won’t get that right… So might as well have the extra protection of a WAF.

    Or, I guess, with really old unsupported software.
    But surely there is a newer take or fork of it?

    There is also the “am I worth it” factor.
    Like, what is your actual threat model?
    Defend against the usual script-based attacks (IE low hanging fruit), only expose/forward ports that are actually required, use some sensible security that isolates more vulnerable systems (IE a proxy) from more sensitive (ie a database or storage), and update regularly on stable/lts branches.

    Edit:
    I just googled bunkerweb.
    First we had firewalls. Then we got web application firewalls. Along came next generation firewalls. Now we have Next Generation Web Application Firewalls with paid features like “Pay per protected services” and “Best effort support included”

    Maybe I’m just salty





  • I feel like Talos Linux is NixOS applied to a very specific purpose: kubernetes.
    I’ve recently been playing with kubernetes, and talos linux feels like cheating.

    I think NixOS could has a huge market unexplored of server side deployments. Install NixOS, connect to the fresh install via a CLI tool, apply the patches (flakes?), and have an easy way to reset to base NixOS when you make a mistake so you can try a different set of patches.
    All from the cli, all with idempotent config files.