Context: Chat Control 2.0: EU governments set to approve the end of private messaging and secure encryption
“By making a minor concession EU governments hope to find a majority next week to approve the controversial ‘chat control’ bill. According to the proposed child sexual abuse regulation (CSAR), providers of messengers, e-mail and chat services would be forced to automatically search all private messages and photos for suspicious content and report it to the EU. To find a majority for this unprecedented mass surveillance, the EU Council Presidency proposed Tuesday that the scanners would initially search for previously classified CSAM only, and even less reliable technology to classify unknown imagery or conversations would be reserved to a later stage. The proposed „deal“ will be discussed by ambassadors tomorrow and could be adopted by ministers next week.”
This is a level of bullshit that will straight up make me vote to leave the EU.
Outlawing E2EE should just not be a thing. It just shouldn’t.
As if European state governments aren’t also stupid and would come up with this idea.
The EU sucks sometimes but where ever you live in the EU your gov would totally come up with this on their own…
Obviously. The point is that it’s the kind of thing that will make me reject the very society I’m living in, and I would change it wholly to avoid this.
If the source was my own government, for the first time in my life, I’d be considering moving to a new country.
I will just remind yall that an state in the EU has admitted to having access to the Pegasus spyware.
- Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the leader of the ruling Law and Justice party as quoted by the Verge (first article I found)
He is also quoted as saying that claims that Pegasus had been used against political opponents are “utter nonsense”.
The Polish controversy was started when the spyware was found on a opposition members phone.
The Law and Justice party, according to polls (and some Poles), is set to win the largest number of seats in tomorrows election, though they might struggle to form a government.
We are doomed aren’t we.
UK has been trying to push this for the last 2 years the moment we left the EU
Well, this is being implemented in the UK separately so I wouldnt be too hasty
Honestly, they could at least wait and see what happens in the UK before proposing something similar. They literally have a free guinea pig next door.
Not really surprising, though
One could think you’re proposing this as an alternate solution. It’s not. And Brexit is the biggest proof.
That said implementing backdoors is so backwards it’s creative in the worst way. You basically prepare the tools for a rogue government, rogue government employee, or a knowledgeable malicious actor to grab secure information from the silver plater. It’s the dumbest shit.
No shit. Only reason I bring it up is as a way to illustrate how badly I do not want this.
What a world we live in, when there’s a possibility my use of a private matrix server between family, might become criminal.
There are plans for Matrix to move to P2P someday… I wonder what would happen in that case. Or if we just used https://tox.chat/
Would the regulation apply at all when it’s just a protocol used between the users, with no intermediary or central server offering the service?
This is not a random thing thrown around, though it should be noted that those more involved in this side of “EU bad” usually advocate for remaking the EU, due to the deep systemic issues rather than leaving it. I believe a more mainstream version of this idea is given a stage by Macron (AFAIK he mostly wants to remove the requirement for every country to agree to some things), but moreso from this angle some Pirate Parties (PPP for example) advocate for it.
Quote from PPP’s programee (translated by yours truly, though I focused on translating it as directly as possible so it might sound a bit weird):
While this is quite different to “we should leave the EU” it reflects the concerns of those who say that due to policies like this. As far as I know, Brexit was caused more by Brits not liking economic policies of the European Union, though I am not that knowledgeable about UK politics.
TL;DR: you can say EU bad while still wanting an EU I guess.
I’m not that knowledgeable, being an American, but my understanding is that Brexit was mainly the result of racism, and of English people falling for easily disproven lies about the economic impact of EU membership. I’d like to think that what I lack in direct experience of British politics, I make up for with direct experience of the exact same bullshit in American politics.