I had In The House - In A Heartbeat playing in my head while making this meme

sorry for the pixelation in the corner, I used a shitty website which put a watermark there

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    There’s lots that do, and not everyone will be capable of contributing. What about a mother of two kids with autism? She can’t work, will spend all her time caring for her kids who will into ever be a burden on the system.

    Every system is abused, that’s why they have limitations.

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      that’s why they have limitations

      Ah, but is the cost of enforcing limitations justified by the amount of abuse that is being prevented? In a lot of cases, and in practically every case when it comes to a big government program, the answer is “no”, and we end up spending millions to prevent thousands of dollars being wasted.

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        Uhh no it doesn’t, why are you assuming that? How does preventing people coming in spend millions and save thousands?

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          Border enforcement is expensive. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent on military equipment, teams of enforcement officers, detention centers, transportation infrastructure, etc all to keep people out. People who, if allowed in, would buy goods and services, pay taxes, and get jobs. The amount we spend just to find and keep out the relatively small handful of people who are capable of traveling across the world but also incapable of getting a job is far, far more than the amount it would cost society to just let those people in.

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            Why do you think border enforcement is expensive? Because so many people would cross (also war protection… so it’s already established infrastructure actually) that it’s a necessity. Or you know an army covertly moves in with arms since you foolishly had open borders and take over your entire country. Think past your nose.

            relatively small handful of people who are capable of traveling across the world

            I don’t think you realize how small a lot of European countries are, you could cross multiple in one day of travel. And why do you think so few people try? Because of the consequences.

            People die even trying to flee their country, and you want to say only a handful are capable?

            Yeesh give that empty head of yours a shake bud.

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              Because so many people would cross

              YES. AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD GET JOBS AND PAY TAXES AND GROW THE ECONOMY. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY WELL STUDIED AND UNDERSTOOD PHENOMENON.

              People die even trying to flee their country

              PEOPLE CROSS VIA THE MEDITERRANEAN BECAUSE OTHER ROUTES ARE BLOCKED OFF TO THEM AND THE EU LITERALLY REFUSES TO SAVE BOATS IN DISTRESS.

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                YES. AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD GET JOBS AND PAY TAXES AND GROW THE ECONOMY. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY WELL STUDIED AND UNDERSTOOD PHENOMENON.

                SO IS PEOPLE COMING IN AND FORCEFULLY TAKING OVER YOUR COUNTRY, THE BORDERS ARE ALREADY THERE FOR THAT. IT CAUSES BOTH, YOU CANT BURY YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND IGNORE THE REST LMFAO

                WHY DID YOU IGNORE THE MAIN POINT AND THE ONE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR POINT……? THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE AND MUST STAY THERE TO PROTECT FROM ITHER GOVERNMENTS, ITS A TRIVIAL COST FROM THERE TO SUPPORT OTHER MEASURES, ITS CALLED FUCKING EFFICIENCY YOU KOOK.

                And no, they did try to save the boat in distress, they always do. You keep looking at this with biased glasses, if you can’t discuss this in good faith get fucking lost. Theres already enough trolls here.

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                  PEOPLE COMING IN AND FORCEFULLY TAKING OVER YOUR COUNTRY

                  This is right wing fear mongering. People have been migrating around the world since the dawn of human history and they still do that, it’s just that modern countries add a bunch of violence to the process.

                  WHY DID YOU IGNORE THE MAIN POINT

                  Because your main point comically ignored what I said in the previous comment, so I restated it for you. Your main point is also incoherent and wrong, for the reasons I specified.

                  THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE AND MUST STAY THERE TO PROTECT FROM ITHER GOVERNMENTS

                  The Maginot Line did not serve as a border checkpoint for immigrants into France, and the Border Patrol would not do much to stop the Mexican Army. Immigration and defense are two totally different things that you’re conflating because you think that normal people moving to get a better job is equivalent to an army invading, which it’s just not.

                  You keep looking at this with biased glasses, if you can’t discuss this in good faith get fucking lost.

                  You are literally delusional and typing things that do not make sense. You need to get a fucking grip. Immigrants are not invaders, immigration is good for the economy, money spent on keeping immigrants out is money wasted on literally making the economy worse than it could otherwise be.

                  The only people for whom immigration controls make sense are 1) people who own businesses with a lot of undocumented immigrants working in them, because they can use the threat of deportation to force their workers to accept extremely low wages, and 2) international corporations who need laborers to stay in poor countries so that they will be forced to work in sweatshops for little compensation. And since those groups are bourgeois and the bourgeoisie control our governments, the border controls stay.