Not anti-EV crowd, just anti-Elon. I hate him as much as anyone else but people just throw absolutely any rationale out the window when it comes to anything he’s involved with (especially around here).
I’ve seen several leftists at this point straight up turn their backs on EVs and literally start parroting conservative propaganda about them. So sad.
Disagree. EVs only environmental advantage is tail-pipe emissions. But they are significantly worse for society then tail-pipe emissions are. Being heavier damages the road more, and causes more tire and brake wear. Proprietary batteries mean that they are thrown away more often then gas cars. More limited range means that more car infrastrucutre is required to support them.
At the end of the day, the limited-taxes we have in the US that discourage driving, EVs are allowed to side-step, so from a societal point of view, EVs are absolutely worse in everyway (except trivial tail-pipe emissions). If you are a leftist who has to drive a car, an EV wouldn’t even be a viable option. You’d be better off in a hybrid.
Have you read about the actual environmental costs and material extraction needed for electric cars? EVs are about saving the auto industry when gas runs out. Not about saving the environment.
The conservative parroting usually takes a sliver of truth and runs with it while tacking on other bullshit to make it seem legit. The “anything to own the libs” is part of that dogma, but pushing a con is easier with a twisted truth to lead the bigger lies.
EV’s can also act as a VPP and feed power back into the grid too, stabilising it. Yeah… Those blackouts you guys claim are ALWAYS coming? EV’s can actually help with that…
Also, Sodium Ion Batteries just got released, which is a huge step up (more environmentally friendly), and Solid State batteries are getting closer and closer.
Also, batteries get recycled. So yes, those big heavy batteries, are reused, by future batteries (which are likely more efficient). We’re only at the start of Lithium batteries too. Lithium air has made huge developments recently. lithium Air is 5000-11000Wh/kg vs Lithium Ion 300wh/kg. So, with the same weight, that means a future Lithium air based car could have 16x-30x more range (and we have plenty of lithium here in Australia). Or, 16x smaller batteries (which due to lower curb weight, would be amazingly efficient). And, future EV’s will likely be more modular too
Unless you’re proposing I ride my bike 60km per day for work? I also do lots of hiking, so, do you propose they run a trainline to the middle of forests? Or do I not hike anymore?
But judging by the fact you have posts unhappy with the Nazi salute being declared illegal, I’m going to say this is typical right-wing facebook BS
re: nazi salute, you don’t understand the purpose of the legislation, it has nothing to do with “nazis,” it’s purpose is to silence dissent, the nazi excuse is so sheeple like you support it unconditionally.
Similar to EVs. Their purpose is to ensure car development can continue and idiots like you don’t realize that the problem with cars has nothing to do with what powers them. Why do you think you live 60km away from work with no public transit? Because cars force you to.
I live in Australia where they were banned. There were literally neo Nazis publicly being Nazis trying to make others feel unwelcome and feel like they were in danger. Nazi symbols have been banned in Germany for ages (which should tell you something). If you want to make up some weird conspiracy theory like they’re playing 4d chess, good for you. People like me also got sick of reporting Nazi shit to councils after they took pt to get home and acted like hateful dickheads. I guess you want to keep burning crosses and the kkk legal too eh? Guys like me get sick of removing Nazi stickers though
The location where I live has nothing to do with cars. Work is located in a more expensive place to live. And even if I move, should I tell my family I can’t see them anymore because they don’t live close enough to me?
Again, I do hiking (I actually operate a hiking group). You’ve skipped that comment because your argument doesn’t sound great when you start telling people they can’t go outdoors anymore.
The problem with cars isn’t that they exist. It’s that too many clowns are buying big cars they don’t need, and they need to be designed to be more repairable/modular. More public transport is definitely needed though, and more density of population… But some people like me (even ignoring work) will continue to need a vehicle to get around. I also think emergency services will be more efficient with a car eh
Battery technology will rapidly catch up. The first big changes have already just come (sodium ion) which is already a step forward. If lithium air happens, it will be a game changer
Also, I received an award for graduating top 5 people in state in one of my high school subjects… So honestly, I suspect I’m not a total idiot like you claim.
Not anti-EV crowd, just anti-Elon. I hate him as much as anyone else but people just throw absolutely any rationale out the window when it comes to anything he’s involved with (especially around here).
I’ve seen several leftists at this point straight up turn their backs on EVs and literally start parroting conservative propaganda about them. So sad.
If you are leftist you should be anti-ev. All EVs do is propagate car-centric social development which is a cancer to any potentially better world.
If you want to be anti-car, that’s an entirely different discussion from anti-EV.
Disagree. EVs only environmental advantage is tail-pipe emissions. But they are significantly worse for society then tail-pipe emissions are. Being heavier damages the road more, and causes more tire and brake wear. Proprietary batteries mean that they are thrown away more often then gas cars. More limited range means that more car infrastrucutre is required to support them.
At the end of the day, the limited-taxes we have in the US that discourage driving, EVs are allowed to side-step, so from a societal point of view, EVs are absolutely worse in everyway (except trivial tail-pipe emissions). If you are a leftist who has to drive a car, an EV wouldn’t even be a viable option. You’d be better off in a hybrid.
Thank you for making my point. That’s exactly the type of conservative parroting I was referring to and it’s absolutely not true. Good job 👍
Have you read about the actual environmental costs and material extraction needed for electric cars? EVs are about saving the auto industry when gas runs out. Not about saving the environment.
The conservative parroting usually takes a sliver of truth and runs with it while tacking on other bullshit to make it seem legit. The “anything to own the libs” is part of that dogma, but pushing a con is easier with a twisted truth to lead the bigger lies.
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It literally is though. They are worse in every single other way including the people that defend them.
EV’s can also act as a VPP and feed power back into the grid too, stabilising it. Yeah… Those blackouts you guys claim are ALWAYS coming? EV’s can actually help with that…
Also, Sodium Ion Batteries just got released, which is a huge step up (more environmentally friendly), and Solid State batteries are getting closer and closer.
Also, batteries get recycled. So yes, those big heavy batteries, are reused, by future batteries (which are likely more efficient). We’re only at the start of Lithium batteries too. Lithium air has made huge developments recently. lithium Air is 5000-11000Wh/kg vs Lithium Ion 300wh/kg. So, with the same weight, that means a future Lithium air based car could have 16x-30x more range (and we have plenty of lithium here in Australia). Or, 16x smaller batteries (which due to lower curb weight, would be amazingly efficient). And, future EV’s will likely be more modular too
Unless you’re proposing I ride my bike 60km per day for work? I also do lots of hiking, so, do you propose they run a trainline to the middle of forests? Or do I not hike anymore?
But judging by the fact you have posts unhappy with the Nazi salute being declared illegal, I’m going to say this is typical right-wing facebook BS
You are the dumbest person I’ve seen post today.
re: nazi salute, you don’t understand the purpose of the legislation, it has nothing to do with “nazis,” it’s purpose is to silence dissent, the nazi excuse is so sheeple like you support it unconditionally.
Similar to EVs. Their purpose is to ensure car development can continue and idiots like you don’t realize that the problem with cars has nothing to do with what powers them. Why do you think you live 60km away from work with no public transit? Because cars force you to.
I live in Australia where they were banned. There were literally neo Nazis publicly being Nazis trying to make others feel unwelcome and feel like they were in danger. Nazi symbols have been banned in Germany for ages (which should tell you something). If you want to make up some weird conspiracy theory like they’re playing 4d chess, good for you. People like me also got sick of reporting Nazi shit to councils after they took pt to get home and acted like hateful dickheads. I guess you want to keep burning crosses and the kkk legal too eh? Guys like me get sick of removing Nazi stickers though
The location where I live has nothing to do with cars. Work is located in a more expensive place to live. And even if I move, should I tell my family I can’t see them anymore because they don’t live close enough to me?
Again, I do hiking (I actually operate a hiking group). You’ve skipped that comment because your argument doesn’t sound great when you start telling people they can’t go outdoors anymore.
The problem with cars isn’t that they exist. It’s that too many clowns are buying big cars they don’t need, and they need to be designed to be more repairable/modular. More public transport is definitely needed though, and more density of population… But some people like me (even ignoring work) will continue to need a vehicle to get around. I also think emergency services will be more efficient with a car eh
Battery technology will rapidly catch up. The first big changes have already just come (sodium ion) which is already a step forward. If lithium air happens, it will be a game changer
Also, I received an award for graduating top 5 people in state in one of my high school subjects… So honestly, I suspect I’m not a total idiot like you claim.
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