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  • The only outcome that might suck even more is if Biden did step down, Kamala steps up, and she still loses. Cuz then it’s like… oh so we’re just gonna be misogynistic as a voter base now, great, thanks fellow Americans. Like, we were ready to vote for a shambling shell of an old man but not a lady with Hillary Clinton energy, okay. 🤦


  • Well, in the current economy, the statistical indicators that economists rely on are booming. GDP, etc. What folks on the left like us are saying is that those indicators are easily measurable but do not paint an accurate picture of what most Americans are experiencing. It doesn’t feel like a boom out here because, well, it ain’t.

    It’s not like we’re sipping champagne, kicking it at the beach, and complaining that the guy next door has a nicer beach. We work just as hard as other generations and get a lot less to show for it.

    Acknowledging that is important, but corporate politicians in either party seem like they just don’t want to anything about it.

    Still voting for Biden, but yeah, not enthusiastically.



  • So, speaking from a purely pragmatic perspective, voting for Biden is better than other US electoral choices for the purpose of trying to help Palestinians.

    I understand your reticence and moral indignation, I largely feel the same.

    But the biggest reason Trump won in 2016 is because voters were not particularly enthused with their choices, and a great many decided not voting at all (or voting for Trump as a protest against the establishment) was preferable to voting for HRC.

    I have to imagine that we both believe that Trump is worse than Biden when it comes to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

    Given that we’re already in election year, it’s down to Biden and Trump. One of them is going to be president come January next year.

    Taking all that together, if we want things to get better for Palestine, we should vote for Biden because the alternatives are much worse.

    Granted there is a lot you can do outside of elections to help, and I wouldn’t recommend ignoring those. But given that voting for the US president takes a few hours out of one day every four years, it’s not a good idea to ignore that either.

    I hope this helps you understand those of us who don’t really like Biden but will vote for him regardless.




  • vonbaronhans@midwest.socialtoLemmy Shitpost@lemmy.worldTough choice
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    4 months ago

    What does a protest non-vote accomplish? There’s moral satisfaction, of course, but that doesn’t stop the genocide. If the goal of the protest non-vote is to ensure Biden loses to teach the Dems a lesson, and it works, Trump becomes president. That’s almost certainly just a continuation of the genocide PLUS all the harm Project 2025 promises to deliver. MAYBE the Dems put up a more progressive candidate next time, but surely we could try to get that power between election cycles?

    I guess I just don’t think protest non-votes will accomplish any of the goals of that protest, but they will allow Trump to live his best fascist dictator life.

    I dunno, is there something I’m missing from your strategic calculus here?