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191·4 days agoI would recommend moving off of lemmy world in general.
11·7 days agoIt makes me feel like when people insist it would take an astronomical amount of effort to move their community off of discord.
I know it will but you are worse than wasting your time putting that decision off because it will limit your community in ways you cannot even perceive yet.
Stop wasting everyone’s time, don’t build houses on top of destabilized sinking mud and expect people to move in, and if they do now you have a MUCH bigger problem on your hands than the challenge of building a new building since you have to convince people the old building which looks fine is not safe.
I would say that poor foundational choices are also the enemy of progress too.
What the bloody hell do those things have to do with the Palestinian Genocide?
I’m not arguing this with you. You are in the wrong despite your inability to accept it.
Thank you for publicly stating your conscious dereliction of responsibility to engage in good faith here.
We are discussing something that relates to Genocide, so yes, this is actually kind of serious even if I don’t really matter and my emotions are utterly frivolous, which obviously I don’t think is the case but even in that event there is still a broader problem here.
Please behave like an adult about this.
Rules are not neutral, you cannot dismiss my criticism of them because in your perception of things I did not follow the rules if my contention is correct since there is no way for you to be sure the fractured understanding you have of a moderation policy built on a logical fallacy is the same as mine.
The only way to be sure we are operating under consistent logic is to adhere to a moderation policy not built upon a logical fallacy so we know if we both agree on the same starting axioms that we can suss out a logical connection between our two points of view.
This really isn’t even about me being right in my particular political arguments, there is a fundamental philosophical faceplant Jordan Lund is doing here about the basic mechanisms of geopolitics that transcends the specifics of any of my particular arguments.
Unfortunately the consequences are not abstract, we are talking about discussion around a Genocide.
Sometimes called the “either-or” fallacy, a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides to an issue when there are actually more complexities. Essentially, a false dilemma presents a “black and white” kind of thinking when there are many shades of gray.
The simplest form of a false dilemma would be a question like: “do you want ketchup or mustard on your hot dog?” Why not both? Or neither? Or maybe a salad? We probably encounter these harmless false dilemmas often in everyday life. Sometimes, simplifying the number of choices available can even be a useful way to reach a consensus.
However, false dilemmas can become harmful when they’re used to purposely exclude options in order to distort an argument. False dilemmas can also be used to imply that two contrasting positions are actually contradictory. We’ll see an example of that in our comic below:
^insert “US Politics” and “US Vassal State Politics” in for “ketchup and mustard”
You have provided no proof I am trolling, please stop accusing me of it.
The rules clearly state that that comm is for US politics only.
My contention, which I have clearly delineated in my comments links and sources, is that you cannot state such a ridiculous policy and hope to apply it with any consistency, whether it be a problematic inconsistency such as around the Palestinian Genocide or more harmless species of inconsistency where the word “Blog” is enough to automatically bar an article from the community even when the contents of the website are clearly not a “Blog” in the way the rules intend to specify.
Jordan has spoken out on many occasions on the subject and probably agrees with you more than you’d care to admit.
No, Jordan’s beliefs scare the shit out of me, they are set up in gleeful ignorance to turn around and blame Israel and jews for this massive mess we have gotten ourselves into, it is so clear how the story being set up intentionally, unintentionally or some mixture of the two is leading towards really scary anti-semitism as a replacement for more serious conversation about the direct complicity of the US along many different dimensions in the Palestinian Genocide. Jordan’s beliefs lead straight into squeezing your eyes shut, putting your fingers in your ears and saying “na na na I can’t hear you!” when the world tries to get you to reckon with the reality of the colonialism you are participating in, the reality that Israel is very much an echo of the US in some ways. Then after they go away, you open your eyes, see everything is on fire and then point at jews and say “What is happening!!! They LIED to us! They backstabbed us! Our greatness was sabotaged!”.
Jordan repeats that the Palestinian Genocide is awful but that the US didn’t know and cannot be held responsible for what Israel is doing. Not only is it an amateur understanding of geopolitics to think the world works in such neat and clean divisions, it is a dangerous fairy tale to believe in that disguises a more complex reality where we are far more complicit in the suffering around us than we want to admit.
Just follow the rules man.
Rules are not neutral, you cannot dismiss my criticism of them by just telling me to follow them.
There like, 30 or so other places you could post those links. You’re just trolling the comm at this point repeatedly posting that.
Please provide proof I am trolling, I post lots of links about a variety of topics. Only one very narrow category seems to get moderated by Jordan Lund and it worries me, it should worry you too.
I have, on the threads I linked, why should I trust my posts to be moderated in good faith here? It is obviously apparent at least some of Lemmy World staff are friendly with Jordan Lund, this is likely messy af for Lemmy World admin.
I have provided abundance evidence, so have others.
I provided the bulk of the evidence on a third party community for a reason, and it is perfectly rational.
At this point what does a private conversation mean to everyone else who cares? I am just another loud annoying voice.
I want a public conversation NOT hosted on Lemmy World where people are publicly held accountable.
What part needs to be elaborated? Ok I will format a comment if you want it just feels like copying and pasting into a format that loses even more context.
Futher, I am not sure I trust having a conversation with y’all here? Lemmy World needs to prove to me they won’t silence me because they don’t want to have a discussion about this before I invest time carefully wording and formatting a post here just for it to get silenced/removed.
I know this is a big headache for them, it would be so much easier to just call me a shrill troll who isn’t genuine in their beliefs at all and just wants to stir the pot, and that makes me extremely wary to invest my time making a point here in a way someone like Jordan Lund can flick with a finger and make go away.
When they do I will absolutely put in the effort of moving that kind of discussion over here, but until then sorry I just do not see proof of trust.
For now I refer you to the abundant links I gave that cannot be directly removed, silenced or taken down by Lemmy.World mods.
edit ok let me begin my conversation here with a quote from Jordan Lund
Please review the posts you had removed and explain how these are, in ANY way US Politics:
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.
What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, not Politics.
Similarly, what US corporations do is not Politics. World please.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
You are correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel.
None of these stories are remotely similar to stories about US mercenaries taking action in Gaza. That’s why they were removed from Politics.
https://lemmy.world/comment/22677703
…and so I open this conversation with a question to you, do you earnestly believe this is a functional, well adjusted way to moderate a Politics community? Can this strategy and way of understanding politics possibly work even outside the thorny question of US-Israel politics?
Edit To make my criticism more specific
Sometimes called the “either-or” fallacy, a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that presents only two options or sides to an issue when there are actually more complexities. Essentially, a false dilemma presents a “black and white” kind of thinking when there are many shades of gray.
The simplest form of a false dilemma would be a question like: “do you want ketchup or mustard on your hot dog?” Why not both? Or neither? Or maybe a salad? We probably encounter these harmless false dilemmas often in everyday life. Sometimes, simplifying the number of choices available can even be a useful way to reach a consensus.
However, false dilemmas can become harmful when they’re used to purposely exclude options in order to distort an argument. False dilemmas can also be used to imply that two contrasting positions are actually contradictory. We’ll see an example of that in our comic below:
This is precisely what attempting to separate the US and Israel in terms of political discussion does.
See my linked posts for an exhaustive argument with sourced links and context. If you have any questions please ask.
It is like dodging a ball right? Sounds easy.
7·1 month ago“Hi Boss!”
The internet
4·1 month agoIt is called Sea Plastic please use the correct industry term or we will have to censor your comments.
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I like sopuli.xyz, mander.xyz is pretty cool, in general I recommend browsing your federated/all feed and checking out the new instance names you see and notice the instance names of the communities and users you seem to vibe with or that talk about things you are interested in.
Make accounts in a couple different places, to a reasonable degree you aren’t wasting anyones time if you want to try out a new instance but don’t end up liking it!
If you want you can use the same name as your account name on lemmy world so that it is easy to remember and for other people to know you are the same user. If that is what you want of course, that is just a suggestion if it feels overwhelming.