I know what you mean, but I think lying under racism is classism, and the trumpers are a party to service rich people. I doubt they will take care of their “base”. Did Trump do anything for the impoverished whites last time? I dont remember.

Issue polls show that everyone wildly approves of progressive policies but they hate progressive people. If you can solve that I’d vote for you for president.

You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there.

You have no data at all on that-- thats just a self serving hope to service your political ends. Biden let the zionists do whatever far right warcrimes they wanted, whenever they wanted, as much as they wanted. He didnt even defend the UN, journalists, aid workers or the Americans killed there. He continues to actively break the Leahy laws amongst many others. I am hopeful that since Trump and his followers are antisemites, maybe he wont be as bad as Biden/Harris. See? I can have self serving hopes exactly the same as you can.

All Biden/Harris offered were words that didnt match their actions and toothless red lines that were memory holed when Netenyahu laughed at them and bypassed them. Other presidents ended the same events with a simple phone call. So your painting of Biden/Harris as supportive of Palestinians is over the top ridiculous.

I’m also hopeful that some president after trump will sign onto the ICC treaty so we can ship Trump and Biden to the Hague for the prison sentence they are so richly overdue for.

that I can absolutely agree with. Its refreshing to hear someone put forth multiple reasons-- everyone wants to zero in on just 1, which is human nature, I guess.

Please take us back?

lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.

“nothing will fundamentally change”

Biden needs to shut up and get back to work appointing judges.

It was about Gaza for a lot of us. Shall we stop pretending it was about the economy either? Shall we stop pretending Biden had some of the lowest approval polls on record for a president going into reelection and that Harris couldnt put together any departure from Bidens ideas? While we’re at it lets all pretend Biden was one of the all time greatest presidents, regardless of his approval ratings.

Any other realities you want us to “stop pretending” about, in order to make you feel better?

Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign.

I dont think thats a reasonable assumption at all.

I think you’re just not ready to admit that the campaign had any flaws at all yet.

DNC leadership should be tied to the track.

This metaphor has always been poor. Trains are locked on tracks. Harris’s campaign could have steered away from biden and his low approval rating, distance from the voters, and genocide, at any moment she wanted to. She wasnt locked on tracks. She chose to steer toward the right the entire last month of her campaign, losing a trickle of voters from her base every single day. She chose to steer away from addressing peoples complaints about reduced buying power instead of sympathizing with them. She chose to say she’d put republicans on her staff if elected, and listen to their ideas. She chose to take the AIPAC bribes. She wasnt at all locked on tracks and being forced to take that money. No one did this TO her. She did it to us.

Pretending she had no choices in order have someone else to blame for her choices is a really unfortunate takeaway, and dooms the party to continuing to think in ways that will lose. The massive unpopular – historically so even-- incumbent lost. Thats what happened.

All these people on these threads blaming it on the voters when Harris had it in her power to run a different campaign is just lazy. Harris not only had a brake she could pull to stop the “trolley”, she had a damned steering wheel to steer completely away from running people over, and she made a choice not to. Dont blame the peasants for shit leadership.

Every single swing state lost. Both congress and the house lost. Thats a badly out of touch party, not stupid voters.

Its the DNC’s fault. They ran a masterclass on how to lose to a dementia afflicted fascist clown.

yep, warm up those money printers. And too bad for anyone who has saved a nestegg for retirement-- thats all getting watered down now. ah well.

Calm down? Was my saying we now have 4 years to ponder this deeply something that sounded rushed to you? Time to avail myself of that handy “block user” button.

I am really wondering if comments will start being unsafe with a lessened expectation of free speech continuing and revenge being the new normal. Im going to start a new account thats not linked to my email address. I’d suggest everyone else do the same.

Sure, Bud.

We are all a bit stunned, but we have 4 years to think about what happened and why. Lets not just jump to an easy conclusion on hour 1 day 1.

Today we’re all clowns.

She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

Was she really though? She couldnt identify a single thing she’d do differently than Biden, who has a truly remarkable and historic level of low approval.