Small businesses are often worse, since there’s less oversight, more willingness to gamble on ‘risks’, a need for higher margins to stay afloat and generally fewer different interests at stake. The issue is private ownership in itself, not how that private ownership is structured.

It’s not really similar to methamphetamine.

Well said, comrade! Even if I don’t think it’ll help this person understand…

Literally the first sentence of your wikipedia article explains that these are different ideologies trying to achieve the same thing, a communist society.

You seem like you’re suffering from a bad case of Dunning-Kruger. You’ve been explained very basic terms multiple times, but you keep repeating your completely wrong understanding undeterred, with brazen authority.

It makes you someone who doesn’t understand what those terms mean, so a modern liberal.

Look: you can either own means of production and be part of the ruling class, or you can not own any and be forced to sell your labor for the rest of your life. A social welfare state is something that purposely built by the ruling class to further their interests, with some concessions to past union efforts.

That’s not what socialism is, trust me, I live in a country with one of the oldest and strongest Social Democratic impact in the world, and while the effects of that are still nice today they do not change anything about the fact that a huge majority works to enrich a tiny minority, and Social Democrats like you have never seriously put an effort into changing that, historically.

So you’re a Social Democrat, got it. Those are pretty out of fashion over here and gave up pretending wanting to achieve Socialism long ago. Sorry, but I don’t really think that what you’re talking about is Socialism, it’s liberal reformism.

Yes, they may be state-owned, but you still live in a bourgeois state with capitalist ownership structure, so the state doesn’t act in the workers interest, but to uphold the capitalist order.

By the way, would you mind telling me what country that is? Most EU countries with strong state-owned infrastructure that I’m aware of have been forced to liberalize, so for example in my country lots of former state enterprises are now private profit-bound businesses that are just 100% owned by the state.

I don’t think you understand what an economic class is. A new class does not emerge because one person is more productive for society than another. It’s a question of what your relation to the means of production is, and in a communist, classless society there would be no inequality there.

Could you provide a few alternate definitions of Communism? Sounds interesting.

The different types of Socialists disagree on how to achieve the classless society called Communism (including Anarchists, by the way), but the end goal of a classless society is the same. There is no seperate “Marxist” definition of communism, he just took an idea that was considered utopian before him and turned it into a science.

How in the world do you come to the conclusion that Scandinavian workers own the means of production? Nothing even remotely close to that is the case, they just have a relatively well-funded welfare state, that has nothing to do with Socialism.

This is completely wrong. Social welfare and shared infrastructure have nothing to do with Socialism. Socialism is an economic model where the means of production are owned by the workers, nothing more, nothing less.

Just FYI, the 2 parent comments are completely wrong and you shouldn’t remember these definitions.

Socialism = means of production are owned by society, but classes still exist (the working class rules over the former bourgeoisie)

When that process is finished and classes and contradictions that lead to them have been completely abolished, that’s communism.

Which is the same society that Anarchists want to achieve, the only difference is that Anarchists don’t have a coherent plan on how to get there.

IIRC it was just a bunch of people that didn’t understand how a resistive heater works and that you shouldn’t reach far inside a 3d printer while it’s running.