You can’t say there isn’t anything to it. But for sure I agree it isn’t the whole story.

I don’t think I can achieve more in my life than that. Thank you.

It’s the one real deal island 🏝. The rest are kind of fake ;)

So all your points are “nu-uh”.

You know very well that’s not true as you have contradicted yourself a few times already.

Show me a single product that is even close to being worth the investment.

Are we talking about money now? I thought we were talking about how its all a scam that’s harming humanity.

Where?

Coding, writing, marketing, graphic design, …

Writing boilerplate articles without content for dying news outlets?

Cant you see stuff you are saying? Thats really emotional stuff, its clouding your rationale.

And where are all those great graphic design products? You mean those cool images of Trump riding a laser velociraptor?

Yes, that as well. But mainly small tasks that used to be menial and now they are practically gone. Ideas, retouching, photo manipulations,…

Yes. Also, Metaverse, blockchain, etc. Ever heard of the dotcom bubble? Same pattern.

Thats pretty naive. Dotcom bubble has nothing to do with it. A completely different thing.

Hard doubt. Because the number one virtue of a scientist is to know the limitations of their subject. So either you’re not actually a researcher, or a really bad one.

I don’t care. Plus I already said I’m not a researcher. I work at a company that does ai research.

You are so emotionally charged. I don’t know if its only your hate of AI, or if you want to somehow win over me in this conversation. Its pointless. AI already helps a lot of people in an incredible amount of ways. Some of them were mentioned in the comments. Its not serious to call them scams and I don’t know what else you said. Its not serious. I think its better to end this exchange. I must say I like talking to people with different views, but it has to be in good faith and I don’t see that here with all the generalizations.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t normally do this but lets look at what you wrote in parts.

There’s hardly any application that’s more than a gimmick.

This tech has already irreversibly changed coding, graphic design, marketing, writing, education,…

ChatGPT is an incompetent liar

Its not. Its pretty competent for a technology launched less than 2 years ago. Its the most competent piece of tech by far. (Launched less than 2 years ago) Its not a liar, its hallucinating, which is a big topic of development of this new technology.

Sora and all the image/video generators produce mediocre crap the can’t reasonably controlled

Sora is not even publicly released yet, so I don’t think its fair to criticize. Image generators have already revolutionized graphic design, marketing, art, …

This tech is done.

This tech has barely started.

Why do you think there’s no progress from openai?

There are so many news about AI advancement weakly that I have no idea what you are talking about.

The tech hit a ceiling. LLMs scaled to their current state very quickly, but each increment used exponentially more compute. There’s not enough compute, not enough training data to get better.

Says who? A few influencers? You think companies would be investing hundreds of billions if there is nothing there? Its not only about throwing things in a pot and stirring, there are different ways of organizing the training data. There is synthetic data. There is so much data in the world we will never be out of it.

I’m pretty sure, you don’t understand how models work.

You would be wrong, as I work in AI research. To be frank I don’t work as an llm researcher, but Im close enough to have picked up a few things.

None of them changed the world in any meaningful way - just scams.

AI already changed the world.

AI companies very fundamentally don’t make money, and have no way to become profitable in the near future. None of their tech has any business model. OpenAI relies 100% on Microsoft essentially donating azure instances.

First thing you said that’s actually correct, but I don’t know how that matters to your point.

Sure, AI has its applications, but not hundreds of billions worth of applications.

So it does have applications? I thought it was all scams, lies and mediocre crap,…

99%? Really? Where did you get that percentage?

The tech is awesome already and getting developed extremely fast. Sure, there are many negatives, but many might just be growing pains.

On a wider scale : this is THE tech. This is the direction, it’s is inevitable. Of course it’s important how the development happens, there are many nuances to it. What I don’t like is these blanket hate statements against something. Many people are using ai today and benefiting in personal life and business.

Yes! I’ve also got answers for stuff that would be hard to get to today. It’s already a useful tool as is.

Yeah, but that’s not really going to happen now is it? It’s fair to criticise brands for doing it, but to hate the tech because of it?

It seems, by the comments, that everyone is quite enjoying all that ai has to offer right now. I think if we phrase the question in a good way, everyone is also quite excited to see the development in the future.

Why is it the hype right now to hate ai? Sure, the brands are pushing their half baked products everywhere, but I think this is a part of the journey. Good products can’t happen without it.

You wrote down a reason why Russian bots are bad and one that is not really true. Russian bots aren’t saying just about anything. Not to mention most people wouldn’t mind if a self proclaimed Russian bot started to push for vanilla ice cream over chocolate agenda. They would “not lose sleep” over it, but then some still go out and buy some vanilla. Even if they don’t believe in marketing.

It doesn’t really matter if they are a bot or a useful idiot if they are doing the same job.

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Very true.

Epic! Rotflol!

So you decide what is fair and what not? Its so fairly distributed now, isn’t it?

Its stable because it’s issued on a schedule? Lol? Wtf? And why would this be a benefit? This is a joke!

You don’t understand bitcoin and crypto. Especially the incentive part needed to run it.

Is vitalik the boss of eth? Give me a break. You arguments are weak af.

Pollution baby. Btc is like there just because it was first. There is nothing there.

Usd is not programmable. You are completely missing the point, you don’t understand what it’s about. Which is not surprising. Btc is boring polluted. Yeah ok it exists. Nobody that works in crypto cares about btc. It’s for investment companies, hedge funds and people in suits. And most of it will end up locked in smart contracts on other chains lol.

I don’t even know where to begin. Btc was distrubuted as fairly as anything else, it’s not as stable as since we have stablecoins, scarcity means nothing, it’s decentralised as much as anything else.

Must I repeat that it just exists? You can’t do anything with it. It’s like comparing a pretty rock to a computer. Today all what btc does is pollute.

No! It’s all scams and it’s a pyramid scheme! It’s pointless and bad for environment and cryptobros and it can’t work because it’s getting more expensive (literally an argument I heard).

I don’t even care if someone doesn’t like crypto, I have friends that don’t care for it, but they don’t try to rationalize it with some lame ass arguments that can be debunked by a child. I don’t understand why lemmy is full of these folks.

You mean like one with actual practical value, one you can program, do actual finance with?