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  • Bash scripts are rarely the best choice for large, complicated, programs or for software that requires complex data structures. (Git is very much in both categories)

    In bash there are so many ways to accidentally shoot yourself in the foot that it’s absurd. That can lead to bizarre seeming behavior, which may break your script, or even lead to a security vulnerability.

    There are things that make it a bit more manageable, like “[[]]” instead of “[]”, but a frustrating number of such things are bash specific and this is written for the subset that is POSIX shell, meaning you don’t even get those token niceties.

    Where you generally “want” to use POSIX sh is for relatively simple scripts where the same file needs to run on Linux with bash, Linux with only BusyBox sh, OSX with zfs (and an outdated version of bash which will never be updated because Apple refuses to ship any GPLv3 software in MacOS).

    This is not that, and so one would expect that:

    1. The developer of this git implementation has poor / foolish judgement.

    2. Shit will be buggy

    3. Shit will be insecure

    4. Shit will be a PITA to try to troubleshoot or fix

    5. And shit will be slow, because bash is slow and this isn’t a job that you can just hand off all of the heavy lifting to grep / sed / awk*, because the data structures don’t lend themselves to that.

    * You could write the entire program in awk, and maybe even end up with something almost as fast as a python implementation done in ⅒ the time, but that would be terrible in other ways.



  • Jordan_U@lemmy.mltoMemes@lemmy.mlTrolley Problem Solution
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    A concrete example of this is doctors and hospitals creating guidelines about how to triage care when ICUs were/are full because of unmitigated spread of COVID.

    It is definitely an “interesting” phylisophical question to ask:

    “If a long term ventilator user comes into the ICU, with the ventilator they own and brought from home, and they are less likely to survive than an otherwise healthy young man who needs a respirator due to COVID infection, is the morally best choice to steal the disabled person’s ventilator (killing them) and use it to save the young man’s life?”

    The policy question that should be asked instead, and never really ways, is “How do we make sure that we never get to the point where we have so many people in the ICU from a preventable disease that we run out of respirators and need to start choosing who to let die?”

    This is not just a hypothetical question:

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/long-term-ventilator-users-lose-bid-revive-suit-over-ny-emergency-guidelines-2022-11-23/

    Disabled people continue to plead with us for the bare minimum, like requiring doctors who work with immunocompromised patients to wear N95 respirators while treating those patients.

    We continue to chose to stack more people on both sets of tracks instead.



  • Either way, this is a rule that you as a human are required to follow, and if you fail the compiler is allowed to do anything, including killing your cat.

    It’s not a rule that the compiler enforces by failing to build code with undefined behavior.

    That is a fundamental, and extremely important, difference between C and rust.

    Also, C compilers do make optimization decisions by assuming that you as a human programmer have followed these strict aliasing rules.

    https://gist.github.com/shafik/848ae25ee209f698763cffee272a58f8

    Has a few examples where code runs “properly” without optimizations but “improperly” with optimizations.

    I put “improperly” in quotes because the C spec says that a compiler can do whatever it wants if you as a human invoke undefined behavior. Safe rust does not have undefined behavior, because if you write code which would invoke UB, rustc will refuse to build it.



  • To put it another way:

    Strict aliasing is an invariant that C compilers assume you as a developer will not violate, and use that assumption to make optimization choices that, if you as the developer have failed to follow the strict aliasing rules, could lead to undefined behavior. So it’s a variant that the compiler expects, but doesn’t enforce at compile time.

    I guess it is possible to just disable all such optimizations to get a C compiler that doesn’t create UB just because strict aliasing rules were broken, but there are still many ways that you can trigger UB in C, while safe rust that compiles successfully theoretically has no UB at all.





  • For years I wrote embedded C for 8 bit microcontrollers used in industrial controls.

    Never again.

    Rust is by far a better language for embedded. The only times I would consider it reasonable to write embedded code in C is if you’re doing it for fun, or you depend on an existing and well tested / audited codebase or library and your application logic is less complicated than rust to C FFI.

    Even then, you won’t find me contributing to that effort.





  • Jordan_U@lemmy.mltoProgrammer Humor@lemmy.mlSTOP WRITING C
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    Fun fact!

    The Asahi Linux drivers for the Apple M1 GPU were originally written in Python: https://asahilinux.org/2022/11/tales-of-the-m1-gpu/

    GPU drivers in Python?!

    Since getting all these structures right is critical for the GPU to work and the firmware to not crash, I needed a way of quickly experimenting with them while I reverse engineered things. Thankfully, the Asahi Linux project already has a tool for this: The m1n1 Python framework! Since I was already writing a GPU tracer for the m1n1 hypervisor and filling out structure definitions in Python, I decided to just flip it on its head and start writing a Python GPU kernel driver, using the same structure definitions. Python is great for this, since it is very easy to iterate with! Even better, it can already talk the basic RTKit protocols and parse crash logs, and I improved the tools for that so I could see exactly what the firmware was doing when it crashes. This is all done by running scripts on a development machine which connects to the M1 machine via USB, so you can easily reboot it every time you want to test something and the test cycle is very fast!