• diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    It’s hilarious hearing people like you talk up Stalin as a bloodthirsty monster, and finally reading what he wrote and seeing a quiet academic.

    If Stalin was so intent on seizing power, why’d he try to resign so much?

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      Can you please edit Stalin’s wikipedia page? I’m sure it could benefit from the input of someone with your level of expertise. Particularly the areas around his vindictive personality, executions, and torture.

      There are hundreds of cited sources in there, those will also need to be updated. Thanks!

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      Fucking lol. He was up there till he died. He was a monster that killed millions of people. Fuck him and fuck any people worshipping him or whitewashing him or his crimes.

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        Fucking lol. He was up there till he died. He was a monster that killed millions of people.

        Is this impression based on any primary sources, or just a general vibe?

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        If Stalin was so intent on seizing power, why’d he try to resign so much?

        Actions speak louder than words. Words aren’t just cheap, they’re free.

        🧐

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          There’s a big difference between trying to resign and someone saying you are trying to resign. When a man really, genuinely wants to resign, then he simply does so.

          According to the accounts you describe, did the people beg him to stay or something? What prevented his resignation?

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            https://socialistmlmusings.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/stalins-four-attempts-at-resignation/

            VOICE FROM THE FLOOR – We need to elect comrade Stalin as the General Secretary of the CC CPSU and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR.

            STALIN – No! I am asking that you relieve me of the two posts!

            MALENKOV – coming to the tribune: Comrades! We should all unanimously ask comrade Stalin, our leader and our teacher, to be again the General Secretary of the CC CPSU.

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              It was just two men that asked him to stay? How convenient. How can you trust that? I barely trust my own government, much less someone else’s. People lie, and people ask people to lie. This is very common on Earth.

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                1. click into the source please (or at least read the URL), he tried to resign 4 separate times and every single time the motion was even entertained he was voted to stay unanimously, once even by Trotsky’s delegation.

                2. if you want to turn this into “your sources are fabricated”, well then, no YOU, and with that, we’re done here. I’ve seen this play out too many times to bother with it again.

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                  Every source is potentially fabricated, this is inescapable. All sources should be approached with some doubt at all times, or you are not performing your due diligence. This is simply necessary, due to the fundamental issues involved with the study of history, where we only have records made by humans, who are imperfect.

                  I did read it after I posted, I agree my reply was premature. I had assumed you highlighted the parts you did because that was all I would need, but that was just an inappropriate assumption of mine and I apologize.

                  In this case, even assuming the source is 100% accurate, this could still be very complicated, instead of being as simple as it sounds. Did he bribe any of them? We must consider it, since it is possible.

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            Figure out a way to implement communism without creating a Stalin

            According to the accounts you describe, did the people beg him to stay or something? What prevented his resignation?

            Is there a reason that you’re confident in your knowledge of Stalin, yet unaware of the facts? What is your confidence based on?

            Also, you didn’t answer the question. Is it because you don’t actually know anything about Stalin?

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              No, I know several things about him. He had a very large moustache for instance.

              Perhaps you could educate me on these accounts you are describing? I clearly am unfamiliar with them, otherwise I would not be asking you about them.

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                You made the claim, you should back it.

                Or you should acknowledge that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

                Either way works for me. ♥️

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                  What claim did I make that I now need to back? That Stalin took over the USSR, or something else?

                  Regardless, I can’t help but point out how obviously you are avoiding my single, very reasonable question.

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                    What claim did I make that I now need to back?

                    a Stalin that takes advantage of the situation to seize power.

                    You don’t get to duck my question by asking a question.