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    2 days ago

    I did watch the video. I agree that mass movements are what is required for change. I don’t understand, what am I buying?

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      2 days ago

      You’re “buying” that elections make organizing easier. Just like Homer is buying that a rock can keep tigers away.

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        1 day ago

        How would having a more evil leader, one who hypothetically locks down freedom of speech and starts arresting people, make organizing easier?

        Seems like that would make it harder to do.

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          I don’t know how to explain to you that the issues we’re facing are systemic and don’t depend on the “right” individual being a leader.

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            1 day ago

            How did we get here? I never said we needed to have a “right” specific individual being a leader.

            All I’m saying is that I believe that if I have a choice to organize a progressive movement under either 100% Hitler or 90% Hitler. I would choose 90% Hitler. I feel like I’m not alone in that.

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                Which specific issue is systemic?

                I’m confused because you keep on jumping around to different points, you argue against positions that I don’t have, and you don’t directly answer any of my follow-up questions.

                If I wasn’t sure that you honestly believe what you are saying, I would accuse you of intentionally muddying the water. This looks a lot like psyop stuff.

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                  The issue the meme is decrying: that the political landscape and discourse is shifting to the right.

                  How often do I need to repeat that I don’t know how to explain it to you?

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                    I agree with that. I never disagreed with the meme.

                    It has never been my position that voting for the lesser evil will solve all of our problems or bring about a progressive government.

                    I have only ever argued that voting for the lesser evil will give the people who are trying to organize (us) a better environment for doing so. Voting for the lesser evil helps with the organization. It’s weird to me that people are against voting for the lesser evil. I don’t get it, I hope someone can explain it to me.

                    Can you please stop assuming what positions I have?