No, you love the creators you watch. Youtube, as a google company, created a buissnesmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder. I use newpipe, i never see ads but if i have a creator i want to support i send them money as direct as possible without middlemen (direct donations during livestreams for example). i pay the creator for their work. If google wouldn’t violate my human dignity by shoving a camera up my ass 24/7 i might consider giving them money to run their servers but as long as they try to make me a product they won’t see money nor data from me
That’s a fair point, maybe I should look into using newpipe and use what was my monthly payment as a direct donation to my favorite creators instead. Thanks for the informative reply!
If they have a patreon, that would be the best way short of putting the money directly in their hands.
yeah I would say block ads, and then whatever u would normally spend on premium, donate to your favorite creators
the creatora only get 55% (which isn’t bad all things considered) of the ad/premium revenue. by donating directly u spend the same but they get more
But to be fair, if YouTube themselves don’t make anything then the service that hosts my content creators isn’t sustainable. So just getting premium feels like the most moral option all things considered, at least for me.
yeah except idc, google can go fuck themselves. if yt dies, there are other platforms, such as peer tube. not as big, but if yt goes to shit, that where the creators will most likely go
No, you love the creators you watch.
And Youtube makes that possible. Show me another service that is as good as Youtube is? Unlimited uploads for everyone, extremely fast constant delivery network. Require no logins or accounts to access the site. 4K video etc… etc… All for the low price of free with ads, or pay for no adds. They every are even one of the best at paying content creators. There is a reason almost every content creator ends up having some kind of account on Youtube.
Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder.
I don’t believe Google is in the business of selling data. There business is ad delivery. They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.
Google absolutely is in the business of selling user data, through their ad network. AdSense customers use that data to target ads. It’s their whole business model. Just because they aren’t being given a database with all that data doesn’t mean they aren’t paying for access to it.
Facebook operates the same way.
They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.
I don’t think that’s entirely true. They won’t sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them. It’s still crappy. It’s kinda unfair I think to outright say they don’t sell your data. You data is their core money maker. It’s just in a round about way. Sure maybe it doesn’t bother you, but in my opinion, the collection of data is the core problem with modern technology, not even just the internet. Data is extremely powerful and valuable.
I don’t think that’s entirely true. They won’t sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them.
Sure you can drill down to specific characteristics of people but as far as I am aware it is Google that actually handles the interactions/delivers the information. So I am not really sure what information a third party could gather about a specific person.
But yeah I totally agree data collection is a huge problem basically every tech company is doing it. One of the reason why I try and self host as much as possible. To truly solve the problem we need better privacy laws in place.
If money could stop things from enshitifying, there would be very few shitty things on the planet.
If everybody on the planet subscribed to YouTube premium they would still become enshittified.
Even with 8 billion monthly subscriptions at $10 a month or more, Google would raise the prices and provide less service.
They would do whatever they have to do whatever they can do to extract the most amount of money they possibly can out of the product.
This is not just because Google is a shit company, this is because greed knows no bounds. The only way for a company to stop being enshitified is for the company from the top down to be radically opposed to enshittification.
Only a good King can stop enshittification.
There are no good Kings in Google.
I know. Late stage capitalism is much more of a negative than a positive.
But I did say slow enshitification. Slow =/= Stop.
Enshitification:
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Yea, just install an extension, it’s like four clicks
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Really, every youtuber complains that ad revenue isn’t great. If you want to support a content creator, drop a few coins their way
If you give them a dollar that’s probably more than they would make from your ad revenue in like 2 years
I don’t get a single ad when I browse YouTube via Opera, both on android and desktop. No addons needed.
Opera is chromium-based so I’m not sure how the new google direction will affect them
90% of my usage is on Mobile and through my Roku TV which both use specific apps to view YouTube. That’s my problem.
I can use revanced to change the app on my phone, or download another app like NewPipe and that would work for a bit. But the hoops I’m referring to are when the apps get banned and need to be updated to work again, AND the hoops I feel I’d need to go to for an ad blocker at the router level so my Roku TV won’t show ads through YouTube. (Though I should probably look into that anyway to get rid of ads on my TVs home screen).
It just feels like a hassle to me, and I’m paying $8/mo as a student anyway so it’s pretty cheap too.
What you need Google to spoon feed you and wipe your ass too?
“Okay Google, initiate ass wiping”
Then we’d truly be living like Kings.
True, that process should be automated as priority 1. Training AI with asshole shapes.
Dayum. Rectum!
On your tv. Go to settings, apps, see all apps, android tv home, then uninstall updates. Go to Google play store, your username icon, settings and disable auto-update apps. It’ll remove the crap at the top.
To remove specific things from the home screen, scroll down to the one you want to remove. Then hit the little circled minus button.
You can also install custom launchers if you really wanted to.If you care, you can also “uninstall” uninstallable apps with adb. And there’s a program called adb app control(I think that’s the name) that’ll let you easily remove them. They also have an called adb tv: app manager on the playstore. You need to enable adb debugging. But the app tells you what to do. Just don’t uninstall anything you don’t recognise. There’ll be a lot of things that are really important.
As a signing off gift, smarttube is like revamced but for your tv. Find their github, download it, put it on your tv, either woth a USB or I use an app called send files to tv.
Thanks for the guide, but these are exactly the type of hoops I was talking about needing to jump through. Still, if and when I get a Google smart TV maybe I’ll do this but I have a Roku.
Ah, yeah, I know nothing about Roku. Other than it’s highly customised android and can’t be used to install apks
sounds like propaganda
Fuck google and the horse it rode in on. Never paying them a single red cent. They already make bank selling my data.
Fuck em with a cactus.
Sorry, but I’ll pay for it when they stop spying on everything I do. And worse, is that they make it intentionally bad when you turn off suggestions.
I’m still annoyed at the removal of google play music. I want to just buy tracks or albums, instead of a subscription, and just own a flac/mp3/music file I can do anything with.
I rip cds now, and feel 0 guilt for that even though its illegal here because quite frankly the artists are getting more money this way.
What country do you live in? Curious to know which country wouldn’t ripping cds
UK, they ruled it was legal then later ruled that it wasn’t.
I used https://bandcamp.com/ a couple of times. You can buy albums and get a link to download mp3 files.
Depending on where you live, you could buy music (both individual tracks and albums) from 7Digital. It’s only a website so no need to even install an app. And in case some track/album isn’t available, you could use a VPN to buy it.
Check out soulseek.
YouTube, removes downvote count, and implements shitty start up noise that I can’t disable, and raises price. Then wonders why I don’t want to pay for that shit.
and the shorts start up page pops up as soon as you open yt , to push you into the mindless scrolling
A certain rebrand of vanced is super helpful as it gives you the option to hide shorts.
Bait.
You could say I’m a master…
This says otherwise
The number within your circle has an absolute value of |2|, and |2| is a positive number! 😎
Bullshit! THIS says otherwise
Whoosh moment… but I see what you did there - and I for one, like it!:-P
Though tbf, I must be insane, b/c I legit just watch the ads. Okay so not watch watch them, or listen either tbh, but let them play out I mean… I watch fewer than one YT video per day, most often per week even, or sometimes per month, so that is just easier for me than anything else, and it feels good to know that I am supporting the content creators that way, which iirc YT does at least a halfway decent job of? (or I could be misremembering that, but I thought like not the best yet not the worst either, more solidly in the middle, median-wise if not average?) Like, it is literally the least I can offer:-D.
Unless I want to listen to music, in which case I just turn on blocking of the ads - I guess I am not all that perfect (or bat-shit insane - ain’t nobody got time for dat!):-P.
I just think I’m irritated with watching ads enough to pay to not need to. I also think I watch multiple YouTube videos nearly everyday, so I just consider it paying $0.05 to skip the ad automatically and still support the company and creators both.
It is a nice perspective, thanks for sharing it!:-)
Not a whoosh moment. I got it, I just didn’t feel like feeding into a masturbation joke is all.
Let them sell my data that they’re tracking, it should cover the costs.
Enshittification is not a thing that will be slowed if only we just pay Google more. It’s a well-honed business strategy. Nobody in their right mind would stop their plans just because people start paying them more, voluntarily.
I’m no bootlicker
Just use ReVanced
ublock origin on my PC works amazing. I forget yt has ads most of the time. If web drm becomes a thing I’ll hopefully have a pinhole in front of my traffic by then
Not sure if you meant pihole or not, but if you did, I thought I’d just mention that a pihole doesn’t remove ads on YouTube due to the fact that the ads and the videos are served from the same server. You block the ads, you block the videos. Made me quite sad after I set my one up.
Unless you didn’t mean pihole, in which case do enlighten me as to what a pinhole is :))
I meant pihole stupid autocorrect. That’s sad to hear… I wonder how ublock works cause yt never shows ads for me but videos work great
Yeah, I was super gutted when I found out. Apparently it did use to work in the past when they used to serve the ads from different servers, but not any more, unfortunately. It’s not completely pointless to install, though. It provides some great software out the box to monitor internet traffic on your network, and I’m pretty sure that in some cases it can speed up your internet by acting as a self-hosted DNS server.
The reason UBlock works, is because it has direct access to the HTML, CSS and JavaScript sent to you. It can alter the web page directly. UBlock scans all the web pages you load, and automatically removes anything it recognizes as an ad. There’s a lot more to it than just that, and it’s a really clever tool, but essentially what it does is directly alter the code of the web page. Unfortunately, this isn’t really possible to do from another device on your network. I did look into somehow setting up a device which scans all incoming traffic like Ublock does, and then removes adverts similarly, but this isn’t really possible since HTTPS traffic is encrypted. Any attempt at removing the encryption would likely result in a heap of issues to using various services, and you’ll likely get constant warnings on your browser about a page being insecure e.t.c.
Well that sucks. Thanks though
You’ve found quite the hornets nest, it seems.
I pay for premium because YouTube does video delivery better than anyone else in the world, and it’s not free for them to provide. Lots of things to hate about YouTube/Alphabet, but theft is a corrupt way of expressing discontentment.
Also, if I pay for premium, then content creators get paid, and I don’t have to shell out for merch to not feel like a terrible person.
How is using an ad blocker theft???
I imagine if it doesn’t make sense to you already, I won’t be able to help you understand, but here goes anyway.
A company pays a lot of money to have a service developed and hosted, then offers a paid teir, and an ad supported teir. If you neither pay, nor watch ads, yet still use the service, then the company is incurring fees due to your usage while receiving no revenue for providing the service.
Like, YouTube videos are great. Practically a utility at this point. However YouTube, the platform, is a company not a charity; if you cost them money, while providing $0 revenue, you’re stealing their money.
Personally I don’t think theft is justified outside extreme desparation (stealing food, basically), and given that YouTube gives you an option that does not require giving them money I find it hard to justify stealing bandwidth.
YouTube voluntarily chooses to still provide their service to me when I block ads. They could easily block that. But they don’t. They don’t even ban my account when I log in with an ad blocker and they still let me upload videos and publish them. Is it theft if someone hands something to you without a threat of force and you take it?
If YouTube started banning Adblockers they’d end up with really bad PR and an arms race, neither of which would sound terribly appealing (although I predict this is a policy change in the works already).
The problem with account bans is that, unlike steam accounts, YouTube accounts have no value associated with them. You ban one and another one pops up.
If I went to the drive through, and they handed me a coffee and said “that’ll be $3. Would you like to pay with cash? or points?” And I just drove off, they wouldn’t chase me over it, but it is absolutely still theft.
Listen, if you want to pirate content, go ahead, I can’t stop you, and it’s not like I haven’t done it myself, but don’t lie to yourself.
You skipped the part where, upon purchasing YouTube, Google used their infinitely deep pockets to deliberately run all other video hosting services, and there were several, out of business and create a monopoly. I’m not going to question my morals over blocking ads from a company that itself is morally bankrupt.
The user should always be in control of the 1s and 0s entering their computer. Allowing some data and not allowing others is not theft. It’s not all-or-nothing for which data Google sends me and recieves from me, that’s absurd.
This abstraction doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. Of course you’re in charge of your computer, but just because you’re free to choose a certain option, doesn’t make it moral, or legal. Using a companys service and making a special effort to withhold payment then saying “it’s not theft, they’re totally cool with it” is absurd. Why would they be cool with that?
I don’t care of they’re cool with it, I’ll use my computer how I want to. Google makes hundreds of billions in annual revenue, it’s hard to feel bad for them. Calling that theft is a massive stretch, they are not losing anything except for potential profit, you could argue bandwidth but that is so intangible compared to any kind of physical theft.
Keep in mind with adblocking we’re dealing with fractions of a penny per video and Google is still making money off me regardless. I directly support creators I like, sending them $10 is an order of magnitude more money than they would get over a lifetime of me watching ads.
you could argue bandwidth but that is so intangible compared to any kind of physical theft.
Have you ever paid hosting fees? Digital != Intangible.
Its up to you to decide what kinds of theft you’re ok with. I definitely pirate things, but I don’t lie about it and say it’s not theft. I just accept that sometimes I’m the bad guy.
Because the content creators get no muhnee.
They have their sponsored breaks, which I don’t block.
Not everyone has sponsorships though.
