otherwise it would be waste after we press the soybean for oil

we already feed people soy. but we make a lot more than people want to eat. feeding it to livestock is a conservation of resources

if we don’t plant soybeans, we won’t get soybean oil

these papers are years-old. I’ve read them.

they do not consitute proof that any animal understands personal mortality

Their ‘reactions’ to being cut, like the smell of cut grass, are chemical reactions. Not feelings or desires.

all neurological responses are chemical response. you don’t know if a plant might experience this like emotions

this is not proof crows or elephants understand that they, themselves, might die

it is not evidence at all about the cognitive abilities of turkeys

plants don’t want to be eaten. animals don’t want to be eaten. and the reason for both is the same: we don’t have proof they understand the concept

somehow I read “beef and dairy”. whoops

my bad. carry on

Since we both dont really know for sure, we should probably just

suspend judgement on the claim until there is more evidence.

we can’t prove a negative. but you are making the claim that requires that they do understand personal mortality, so it is on you to support that claim

I’m explaining that “not wanting” something does not require that you even know of that things existence

you spoke specifically about cattle. now you are moving the goal posts

I’m asking for some peer-reviewed paper to support your claim

in the 15th century, no one wanted an electric car. does that mean they wanted to stop technological progression?

so when they die, it’s because they want to die

there are only about 1.5 billion cattle in the world. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth

how do you know what they want?

Not wanting to die/wanting to stay alive

two different things

this is not proof that they understand that they, themselves, might die.

edit: the user who begins responding to me here proffers three studies, none of which actually prove that animals understand that they themselves might die. while they say i haven’t read them, its obvious that it is they who have not read them. it is either that, or they are lying, or they are incapable of understanding what these papers say.

there is a lot of abuse from this user, so i don’t know if anyone actually wants to go into this thread.